Friday, November 10, 2006

Yes, Maybe, Never! (Correspondence, Part 5)

This is Part 5 of our series on correspondence between Landis and the USADA. In Part 1, we heard USADA wasn't providing any more than Landis already had; In Part 2, we learned what Landis had been asking for. In Part 3, we saw an abortive attempt to turn this into a one-step proceeding, with a single hearing directly before CAS, which appears to have been rejected by USADA, even though it was their idea. In part 4, we discovered USADA's reaction to the idea of public hearings, and how that probably killed the idea of a single-CAS hearing idea.

The last topic of correspondence is the data from the other tests performed at the tour...
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The WADA Results Management Guidelines say
7.4 The athlete is also entitled to copies of all documentation relevant to the assertion that there has been an Anti-Doping Rule Violation, and the ADO shall provide this to the Athlete or his/her representative upon request.

Click on a page image to see the original document.



Way back on 7-Aug, USADA sends a letter to the UCI requesting the Lab Pack for the Stage 17 tests, and, because there were TE violations in the original report, data that would be needed for a longitudinal study, being all the other test results. Landis was copied on this letter, because USADA presumably believed he was a party with a need and a right to know.




On 31-Aug, Landis receives the lab documentation package, and it does not contain the longitudinal data that USADA asked the UCI for on 7-Aug. Landis's submission to the ADRB sent on 12-Sep says that since there has been no longitudinal data supplied, the TE violation cannot be considered an AAF.



A month later on 9-Oct, Landis wonders if the other data has been sent to USADA, and asks for it to be sent.










On 12-Oct, Landis releases documents and the Arnie Baker slide show.


On 13-Oct, USADA tells Landis it has some of the material, and says it will send it when all of it appears and they can assign Bates numbers to the lot. The key paragraph reads (emphasis added),
In response, and as I relayed to you on the telephone, we have received some of the data concerning your client's additional urine samples but have not yet received it all. Once we receive all of the data, we intend to bates label it and provide you a copy. We hope to do so in the very near future but at the latest at the time our exhibits are due prior to the arbitration.

The only possible equivocation there is the phrase, "we intend", but there is no suggestion of a reason they won't or can't be sent. If there were a rule preventing it, there ought to be mention. The main qualification is about the timing, where they reserve the right to wait until the last possible moment.

The letter also provides the written offer for the single CAS hearing described in part 4.



On 16-Oct, Landis sends his document request, covered in Part 2, and his conditions for single CAS hearing, covered in part 3.



On 17-Oct, USADA and Landis send letters to USADA about public hearing, covered in Part 4.



On 23-Oct, Landis sends his public hearing proposal, covered in part 4.



On 26-Oct, Landis asks again for the longitudinal data, saying there is no reason to wait on the Bates stamping, and suggests delays may become prejudicial to the case.








1-Nov, USADA says wait for it, but adds a new caveat not present in the 13-Oct letter. Here it says they will deliver "a copy of the documents we intend to rely on...at the very latest when our exhibits are due."

This leaves open the position that if they don't rely on it, then they won't produce it (voluntarily).

Comment: this has been described as "cherry picking" the evidence. They decide what they want to pursue, and don't produce anything else.



1-Nov, Landis says waiting is prejudicial. The could have asked UCI for the documents themselves, but (a) USADA has already done so on 9-Aug. (b) If TE is used, you'll have to produce it anyway; (c) producing at the last minute precludes Landis from doing any followup.

Please send now.

Comment: Did Jacobs shoot himself in the foot by not asking the UCI for the documents when he may have had the chance early on?



1-Nov, USADA says no single CAS hearing, discussed in part 4.



3-Nov, USADA says no more documents at all, and doesn't produce the longitudinal data known to be in its possession.

This is where came in at Part 1.
Let's look at what they say again:

We will not be providing any documents or other information in response to your requests. As you should know, the rules applicable to this proceeding establish the set of document that are provided by the laboratories when a sample tests positive. After studying your request and those rules, every request you make appears to seek documents or information not called for by the rules.

USADA appears to be hiding by the rule in the ISL that says what the laboratory must provide. It does not cite a rule that limits what USADA may provide. It is choosing not to provide documents known to be in its possession that it had been willing to send on 13-Oct.

It also says UCI is not a party, so Landis can't drag them in - though in the 4-Oct letter to the AAA (part 4), they said,
By copy of this letter, we are also advising the Union Cycliste Internationale ("UCI") and WADA that they have a right to participate in the hearing either as a party or as an observer.


Summary
  • USADA requested data from UCI, and copied Landis on the request.
  • Landis thinks he could have requested it himself, but didn't because USADA did, and he ought to be able to get it from USADA.
  • UCI responded to USADA, but probably won't now for Landis. At least, USADA says they won't.
  • USADA offered to give Landis the data, when convenient for USADA.
  • Landis asks repeatedly, and claims the delay is prejudicial.
  • Other stuff goes over the dam and under the bridge.
  • USADA now says Landis cannot have the data because there are rules against it, left unspecified.
This raises questions:
  1. Was USADA incorrect to copy Landis on the request of 7-Aug?
  2. Was USADA repeatedly incorrect to offer Landis the data on 13-Oct?
  3. Was USADA correct to add the 'rely on' qualification on 1-Nov?
  4. Under what rules was USADA requesting data from UCI and offering it to Landis?
  5. Under what rule is USADA now justifying refusal to produce the data?
  6. If they provide the longitudinal data, how can USADA distinguish it from any of the other non-LNDD data identified in the demand?

The simplest explanation is that there aren't clear rules one way or the other for what USADA should produce when, and USADA has taken advantage of the discretion at Landis's expense. The guidelines quoted at the top may not have force; there can be quibbling about what "relevant" means, and whether they say exactly when things need to be provided.

When USADA were hoping for a single CAS hearing, they could freely dangle the carrots. When they decided they were not going to have a public CAS hearing, they could say, "No" to things they had previously proffered, and all other data. There are no consequences for this action that matter to USADA. Should the arbitrators rule in favor of Landis, it has merely cost time, which Landis has less of than USADA.

It's likely the arbitrators will order production of the longitudinal data, and many of the other things in the document request. USADA knows this, but they are withholding and denying it anyway. It's the game play of a litigator looking for a Win!, not that of a responsible party seeking to promote "Fair Play."

A few days ago, a commentator on the series said something we picked up in a Quote of the Day, which we'll repeat because of its pertinence.

If USADA is playing to "win" rather than find out whether you doped or not, then they are failing in their mission and not advancing toward the goal of clean competition.

The intent of the guidelines is that the ADO should provide the data when requested. USADA hasn't. It may be within a narrow interpretation of the rules to deny, but how does that fall in with the spirit of "Fair Play?"

If you think USADA is faultless, or that Landis is a dirty-rat bastard playing lawyer tricks, please post comments or send mail, and we will report the arguments, as always.

Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy series.

TBV

This concludes our look at correspondence between USADA and Landis. Now that it is all done, you may wish to look at the TIMELINE that brings it all together.

Back to part 4,

All documents presented in this series can be found in the collection at archive.org.

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News
We've been consciously avoiding the Cofidis trial in France because there isn't a direct Landis connection, but it's hard to ignore completely. IHT has a good summary.

If we believe AFT, the replacement of Bisceglia at USACycling was another conspiracy by the cycling Illuminati, and he has filed suit alleging wrongful termination, according to VeloNews.

VeloNews/VeloPress has a new book out about the tour, The 2006 Tour de France: Triumph and Turmoil for Floyd Landis, by John Wilcokson, et. al.

Blogs
PJ goes after AFT. So does Rant.

AFT answers his critics here with a shrug and a "last post", probably only for now.

Sarah B writes about the Amber Landis interview....

Running Barefoot Gene writes about why he cares about the FL case, and complains about the Landis "facts" in the Cofidis Trial IHT story linked above.

Picture This tries Landis humour.

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Thursday, November 09, 2006

Thursday Roundup

I'm beat, so Part 5 is gonna wait for me to recover. I'm going to try the Floyd after S16 approach, maybe without the IV.

Quote of the Day

I'm finding that Floyd doesn't have a lot of fair weather friends. They seem willing to go to the mat for him.

(link)

News
No news so far today. Really.

Blogs
Dugard thinks Basso is wise to avoid giving a DNA sample, what with the sleazy ADA setup, and looking into the future and seeing a possibly Pink Floyd.

Anonymous Fortune Teller (AFT) returns to TBV comments with answers to some complaints and criticism about his prognostications. The building sense of the comments is that he's a a good fake with bad science.

Jason Sager
shares his tale of woe about the USADA.

Steve's Peeves brings Rumsfeld and Landis together again, trying to explain the difficulty of proving a negative.

Email
Correspondent AJ wonders if another reason USADA got itchy was because of the requirement to run the arbitration under the California rules, and offered these links as being interesting:

Arbitration in Entertainment
Review of recent law affecting arbitration
California Statutes

and passes on the statute language that says the neutral arbitrator has power to issue subpoenas for discovery and deposition:

1282.6. (a) A subpoena requiring the attendance of witnesses, and a subpoena duces tecum for the production of books, records, documents and other evidence, at an arbitration proceeding or a deposition under Section 1283, and if Section 1283.05 is applicable, for the purposes of discovery, shall be issued as provided in this section. In addition, the neutral arbitrator upon his own determination may issue subpoenas for the attendance of witnesses and subpoenas duces tecum for the production of books, records, documents and other evidence. (b) Subpoenas shall be issued, as of course, signed but otherwise in blank, to the party requesting them, by a neutral association, organization, governmental agency, or office if the arbitration agreement provides for administration of the arbitration proceedings by, or under the rules of, a neutral association, organization, governmental agency or office or by the neutral arbitrator. (c) The party serving the subpoena shall fill it in before service. Subpeonas shall be served and enforced in accordance with Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 1985) of Title 3 of Part 4 of this code.

1283.05. To the extent provided in Section 1283.1 depositions may be taken and discovery obtained in arbitration proceedings as follows: (a) After the appointment of the arbitrator or arbitrators, the parties to the arbitration shall have the right to take depositions and to obtain discovery regarding the subject matter of the arbitration, and, to that end, to use and exercise all of the same rights, remedies, and procedures, and be subject to all of the same duties, liabilities, and obligations in the arbitration with respect to the subject matter thereof, as provided in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 1985) of Title 3 of Part 4, and in Title 4 (commencing with Section 2016.010) of Part 4, as if the subject matter of the arbitration were pending before a superior court of this state in a civil action other than a limited civil case, subject to the limitations as to depositions set forth in subdivision (e) of this section.

This gets sort of shot down at DPF by JR, who writes,

Some law out there that the state arbitration code will apply to intrastate commerce questions only and the federal arbitration act will apply to interstate commerce questions. CA also has a unique neutral arbitrator ethical disclosure rule that has recently been decided not to be pre-empted by the FAA (but is pre-empted by the special rules in a securities arbitration under a different act). And the parties can have choice of law and procedural rules in their agreement. My best guess and that's all it is, just choosing CA as the site does not change the procedural rules adopted by USADA, ie, the AAA modified rules. Those rules address exchange of information, so I would think it would pre-empt the state rules, plus this is definitely at least interstate commerce, so we would be looking at the FAA and federal rules applying. The Gaines case linked earlier was heard in SanFrancisco and discovery issues were briefed on the basis of federal rules. But maybe someone with experience with USADA will show up and give a better answer.


Forums

At DPF, an ultimately unresolved discussion of false positive rates with masking vs. the tested population, which does include a nice picture of the doping process, by Tom Fine:




Web
Waaaay back in August, NYVeloCity did some evaluation of the Praying Landis TT position. They don't seem to have ever gotten to Part II. Did something happen?

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Wednesday, November 08, 2006

Introducing the TBV Timeline

Introducing the TBV Timeline, a rundown of what happened when, if we know. This is newly split out from the Key References page, and expanded with the recent additions of the correspondence entries from our series.

As usual, please send corrections and additions.

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What is "Public?" (Correspondence, Part 4)

This is Part 4 of our series on correspondence between Landis and the USADA. In Part 1, we heard USADA wasn't providing any more documents than Landis already had; In Part 2, we learned what Landis had been asking for. In Part 3, we saw an abortive attempt to turn this into a one-step proceeding, with a single hearing directly before CAS. This was rejected by USADA, even though it was their idea. Why?

One of the things that may have scared USADA off from having a single CAS proceeding was Landis's condition that it be a public hearing, just as the AAA step would be. If the purpose of the idea to go to a single CAS hearing was to consolidate process and save time, that ought to have been acceptable. If on the other hand, the idea was to eliminate the public hearing, then it didn't work.

It may also be that some other party, CAS, UCI, or WADA really didn't want the final decision to be made in a public hearing. Or it may be that CAS has policy that simply cannot be bent to allow for the rules, process or public conditions made by Landis - but we haven't heard a suggestion that this is the case.

How were discussions on the AAA public hearing going?

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We should recall that USADA got the demand for a public hearing on 29-Sep, and the AAA rule that allowed such a demand has been in place for a number of years. It might be reasonable to expect an agency involved in such disputes to have done some planning for the situation, and to have an outline available for the way it would like a public hearing to be conducted.

Click on a page image to see the original document.



On 4-October, USADA sends a letter to AAA and Landis proposing Malibu as the hearing location, with no stated reservations. It does not mention the public hearing demand, except by reference by attachment of the Landis 26-Sep letter.









On 5-October, AAA responds, starting the process, noting (as the entirety of paragraph four) that,
Claimant agrees with Respondent's request to conduct the evidentiary hearing in Malibu California.
Comment: USADA does not directly respond to this letter suggesting it is in error or has misinterpreted the letter of 4-Oct. October 5 was Thursday, and the next letter on 10-Oct was Tuesday, so USADA had a Friday and a Monday to complain, but did not.



On 10-October, the AAA sends another letter to USADA and Landis. It states clearly that it believes both parties have agreed to have a public hearing in Malibu, as proposed by Landis and passed on in the 4-Oct letter from USADA. The AAA letter requests both sides to supply "contentions" by 17-Oct that need to be addressed. It begins (emphasis added):



Whereas the parties have agreed to conduct the hearing in Malibu, California, the Association must comply with the California Statutory Laws governing arbitration in that State.


Comment: perfectly reasonable sounding letter, give us your complaints and we'll look at them.


In the meantime, on 16-Oct, Landis sends the document demands discussed in part 2, and the conditions for a single CAS hearing discussed in part 3.



On 17-Oct, USADA sends a letter to AAA at 14:03, saying that it hasn't agreed to anything, merely that it did not object to the proposed location in its 4-Oct letter.

It doesn't feel it has anything to respond to. Regarding the matter of being open to the public, USADA expresses "concern" that the hearing be held in a fair and reasonable manner. It then asks,
What does "public" mean exactly?
and various other details are questioned. Does Malibu have hotels, and Pepperdine have fax machines and copiers?

It raises two topics it considers truly important: What about the confidentiality gag-order on us, and is the public going to actually see correspondence, briefs, exhibits and discovery information?

It is therefore "premature for us to agree or not agree".

Comment: USADA offers no plan of its own. This is an impressive display of ducking the issues. USADA has apparently never heard of a public hearing, though it is in the rules, and they were put on notice in the 29-Sep letter. "What does 'public' mean" has got to be one of the sourest notes in a legal context since Clinton's, "It depends on what 'is' is."



Later on 17 Oct, Landis sends a four page letter to AAA which in part answers items raised by USADA in its letter from earlier in the day, and carries a large dose of attitude.

It says that the parties agreed to Malibu in a joint request, and that is not at issue. If then offers to address some of USADA's points, noting sarcastically much of the information could have been obtained with a "simple internet search" if USADA had cared to look.

Regarding an open public hearing, it notes conversations where USADA had admitted "not wanting a circus". Landis then reviews the rules and thinks the phrase "shall be open to the public," is unambiguous, and insists the parties already agreed on this point.

Landis agrees with the goal of a "fair and reasonable" manner for the hearing, and wants it as open as possible (a key phrase), leaving arbitrators to decide details subject to the general agreement to an open hearing.

Landis thinks the meaning of "public" need not be defined -- it is what is meant by the AAA Supplemental Rules, subject to space limitations. It snarkily notes the idea of a public hearing is neither a new nor novel concept, and that arbitrators can follow the "extensive guidelines promulgated by the courts (samples of which are included as Exhibit 2)". Similarly, seating limitations can be addressed by the arbitrators.

On the confidentiality issues, Landis sees no problems. The hearing is public, and that is distinct from that covered by the public comment issue. The arbitrators can decide about public access to documents.

Regarding the Pepperdine facility, Landis points USADA to the web site, provides links to hotel page at the site, and lists a few. It identifies facilities available, including a 160 seat trial room, and a 350 seat mock-appellate court, and says the school has plenty of fax and copy machines. Several times it asserts this is better accommodation than traditional for ADA related hearings.

Finally, addressing the "circus" comment made by USADA, Landis notes Pepperdine Law has security guards at the access points.

Comment: There is a lot of sarcasm in this letter. Some of it is probably reaction to the astounding presentation of know-nothingness in the USADA letter, and some is likely to have been the venting of general frustration. I'm not familiar enough with legal writing to know where various lines of propriety may be, but I'd guess this is close to one.



Comment: As a matter of style, neither USADA nor Landis really meets the AAA request, which was to provide a list of contentions. A fastidious writer would have included a list specifically identified as "contentions". For example the document demand memo is full of lists and numbers, so Jacobs knows how to do it. Doing so makes the points explicit, and makes them easier to address in subsequent discussion. But these are all preliminary, scheduling matters that ought not be held to the rigor of pleadings. But then...



On 18-Oct, USADA complains Landis shouldn't have talked about the USADA letter sent earlier that day, and wants future exchanges to be coordinated by the clock to prevent Jacobs from modifying his submissions to answer things in one sent earlier.

USADA again denies having agreed to a public hearing, and repeats it is too early to address the issues.

Comment: other than speeding progress towards resolution of these planning issues, how did addressing concerns and questions raised in the USADA letter create a problem, or prejudice the case? Is the goal of the USADA in this letter to speed the process, or create delay? It comes off as pique.



On 19-Oct, USADA revisits "public hearing" with Landis. Referring to a phone conversation on the 18th with Jacobs, USADA wants a detailed proposal for the request. It says the process will work better if agreement is reached before seeking confirmation from the panel.

Comment: USADA offers no proposal of its own, even though the rule has been on the books for years, and they have known this was coming since 29-Sep.




On 23-Oct, reported in part 3, USADA tells AAA the single CAS hearing may still be on. They have not yet heard what a public hearing is, nor have they offered their own version for discussion.

Comment: They don't hate the idea of a public hearing so much they have written it off completely, yet. They're telling AAA it might happen. They've had the letter since the 16th with the conditions, so they must have been considering their options.



On 23-Oct, Landis sends a five page letter describing what an open hearing might look like.

Landis repeats the statement from 17-Oct letter that he wants the hearing as open as possible, and that the arbitrators can make decisions about what that means. What is proposed in this letter is open to discussion.
  • All disputes to be resolved by the panel Chair.
  • Landis wants to allow TV coverage, using fixed cameras and existing sound and light.
  • Press pool if more than one seeks to use a TV camera.
  • If no press wants to provide video, Landis will provide a single camera.
  • Seats distributed 20% to Pepperdine for education; 40% each to USADA and Landis to allocate as each sees fit.
  • Either party may distribute documents as it sees fit, how it sees fit.
  • Confidentiality of proceedings made irrelevant by public hearing;
  • No comment rule remains in effect, UNLESS...
Landis offers to waive the public comment prohibition if USADA produces all the documents from the 16-Oct request described in Part 2.

Comment: This lays a card on the table. It's unlikely that USADA will agree, but if it was accepted there wouldn't be any more discovery. That says everything Landis thinks he needs is covered by the 16-Oct request, and anything else he needs is already in his possession.

Further, this gives USADA some idea what the implications of 'public' really are -- what happens will be recorded and reported. What will their reaction be?



On 1-Nov, reported in part 3, USADA says no single CAS hearing.

Comment: As far as we know, nothing transpired other than USADA considering what 'public' means. They want none of it.



On 3-Nov, reported in part 1, USADA denies all document production.



Summary

The exchange here suggests the following:
  • USADA had not made any preparation for public hearings in the years following addition of the rule that allowed them;
  • USADA had not made any preparation for public hearing since the 29-Sep demand.
  • USADA does not want a public hearing.
  • USADA rejected having a single CAS hearing after Landis insisted it be public, even though it was their idea;
  • USADA isn't really interested in expediting the case, as evidenced by rejecting the single CAS hearing and complaining about quick turnaround to letters.
  • Landis believes he has a non-negotiable right to a public hearing.
  • Landis is willing to compromise on details, and will trade time and money (2 step process) to get his public hearing.
  • Landis has a procedural lever in the public comment rule, which he was willing to trade for document production and answers to interrogatories. That means the request must have been complete.
If someone wants to offer alternative theories explaining how this demonstrates Landis' malfeasance, and that USADA is doing everything honorably in a search for justice, please send mail or make comments.

In Part 5, we'll learn about the handling of other tests from the Tour.

Back to Part 3.

All documents presented in this series can be found in the collection at archive.org.

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Quote of the Day

"public": a transparent hearing; one in which any nonparty can attend in person or follow through the open record and evaluate the exact evidence and argument presented to the trier of fact, without filter of any kind or nature.
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News

CyclingNews reports Basso to Discovery, so Landis won't be returning there.

Australian print mag features case. Poster at DPF cites snippet quoting Cadel Evans:
Evans basically said he read Floyds power output that was published on the net and the power profile he had for one climb, the Saissis was "absolutely incredible" and says its "seems beyond normal human capacity, we'll leave it at that", "most incredible athletic performance ive ever seen"

article makes a point to say that they are the same height and weight

Snark O' the Day
Henry Herald columnist gives Landis a "Dope of the Year" award, along with John Mark Karr and Donald Rumsfeld.

I sent the author a note:
It's possible you haven't been paying attention, but there is a very good chance that Floyd Landis /is/ innocent.

A current interview can be found at
http://www.nbcsports.com/sports/337682/detail.html
and more than you could want to know is at http://trustbut.blogspot.com.

And he replied (with permission, admitting he is not an expert, but someone with an opinion):
Those tests are immensely accurate. As a former collegiate track athlete, I know the doping rules. Unless you can prove you were kidnapped, beat and purposely drugged with out your will, those test will stand. I read the stories and I'm familiar with Landis' side of the story, but you have be responsible for your own body and know what can raise your t-levels. Whether he did it purposely or not, the results are there. Even if he didn't know, ignorance is not an excuse.

Blogs
The Anonymous Fortune Teller (AFT) comments on correspondence part 4 and lays out quite a detailed political theory for events that have transpired and will come. He continues claim that Landis blood doped, and that he's going to get hung because he has crossed the Old-Boy-Network of cycling, particularly Lance and the Discovery boys. Discussion goes back and forth for a while between him and other incredulous commenters who believe the blood-doping theory has been debunked.

AFT has previously appeared on TBV here, here, here, and here.

Rant wonders what scares the USADA, and what to make of the AFT.

PJ can't find much to satirize.

BradVentures revisits Floyd, doping, and Lance (among other things):
If Floyd is found not guilty for whatever reason, the Tour owes him millions of dollars in damages for the fiasco they created, not to mention a big apology. If he gets off I would not mind, because as it is now, he is being unfairly singled out of a pack that quite certainly not clean.

We'd previously given him grief for some less informed comments.

20 million minutes discusses opinions on the validity of testing from the BBC program we mentioned the other day.

Rant gives us a plug, as does C10A, with a thoughtful piece.

ThinAir says no one believes Landis, and no one cares.

Forums
DPF talks about "public", but not much, distracted by abritration presentation tactics.

Topix briefly lurches towards sanity, but it is a fragile state requiring continuous intervention.

Web
For no apparent reason, bikeparts.com gives TBV space on their front page. Thanks!

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Tuesday, November 07, 2006

Quotes of the Day, special edition

From Daily Peloton Forums, by a judge who presides over murder trials, after reading some of the correspondance series:

Whether you like due process, hate it or ignore it, any rule adopted by an organization which precludes any inquiry into the truth that goes beyond the organization's charging documents is more akin to a star chamber than a fact finding hearing.

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From another thread, by another attorney,
Being an attorney myself, I can certainly make an argument for the civil system's use of the adversarial system. However, in this type of enforcement / quasi-criminal proceeding, the USADA must be motivated by Truth and Justice. All too often we hear in the news about prosecutors withhold or misrepresenting evidence to get a conviction (=winning) regardless of whether the defendant is guilty. Recently, my state released a guy spent 15+ years in jail for a rape that he didn't commit. THAT's a terrible false positive and it happens all the time.

In another case many years ago I had a case where a Federal judge sanctioned a US attorney for lying and dressed her down in open court. He summed it up well - the prosecution must get to the Truth of the matter in order to get Justice. The danger is increased when the prosecution doesn't care about Truth to find Justice and is only motivated by getting a conviction. 1 - an innocent is jailed and 2 - a criminal is still out there to harm again.

So to those of you complaining about the Floyd's argument being focused on technicalities, remember they are there to provide due process, protect the innocent and to force the prosecution (in this case USADA) to play by the rules. It's telling that they will not give over all their data/documentation -- in the criminal context we call exoneration evidence "Brady Material" and it must be disclosed to the defense. What if your son/daughter was being tried for a crime and was innocent and the prosecution hid a witness who described someone else as the "perp" or hid the fact that another person's fingerprints were on the weapon? Don't fool yourself, it happens.

If USADA is playing to "win" rather than find out whether you doped or not, then they are failing in their mission and not advancing toward the goal of clean competition.

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Straight to CAS (Correspondence, Part 3)

This is Part 3 of our series on correspondance between Landis and USADA. In Part 1, we heard USADA deny further document production. In Part 2, we learned what Landis had been asking for.

On 29-Sep, having received the ADRB report, the Landis side sent a FAX exercising their rights to a public hearing. Before planning for that got very far along, USADA had another idea, going direct to CAS, bypassing the initial stage completely...

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Click on the page images to see the complete original document.

Landis' 29-Sep request for hearing is reproduced at right. This was announced and widely reported to be the first use any athlete had made of the provision for an open hearing. No matter what, this was going to be breaking new ground for the USADA side.





Sometime in October, USADA verbally raised the possibility of avoiding the AAA hearing and going straight to a CAS hearing to expedite the resolution. Landis agreed to explore this.

On 16-Oct, coincident with the request for documents and interrogetories covered in Part 2, Landis sent a note describing the conditions under which he would agree to go directly to CAS, reproduced at left. They were, in essence:



  1. Use USADA and AAA rules;
  2. CAS rules lower in precedence than #1;
  3. Public hearing with CAS;
  4. Decision binding and final.
  5. Terms to be part of written agreement;
Which does not seem to be an outrageous list. If the objective of the proposal was to eliminate the delay and expense of the step, then this plan would have accomplished that goal.



On 23-Oct, USADA sent a letter to AAA saying they were pursuing this option. The main difference was going to be changing the pool for the third arbitrator to be the full CAS pool, and not just the North American list.







On 1-Nov, USADA sent a followup letter to AAA saying this wasn't going to happen, that things should proceed for an AAA hearing.









What happened? On to Part 4 ...

Back to Part 2

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Tuesday Roundup

News
Floyd Landis is "defiant" in this informative Alan Abrahamson story from NBC Sports.com

CyclingNews says CSC isn't replacing Basso, and Rasmussen is getting better. The first says Riis might have room for someone who might become available, despite he denials. The latter means chicken-legs doesn't seem to be having the complications Landis had with his hip.

Web
An interesting new organization appears (to us), the Agency for Cycling Ethics. It features a chart that positions its program as the anti-WADA, being cooperative rather than predatory. It has some association with Vaughter's Slipstream team, described in the 6-Oct Mr. Rogers Neighborhood at Velonews.

Blogs
20millionminutes picks up Stern on Mr. Pound.

PJ riffs on the correspondance series.

Dugard teases with the following:

Whatever else, today marks a transition from a time frame that began sometime in mid-August. That's when the campaigns began kicking into gear, just as it's when my team's cross-country season began, my marathon training began, and when the Floyd Landis situation was at its low ebb. Things have turned around for Floyd (look for some very large revelations in the next couple weeks),
BleacherReport identifies good guys and bad guys, and Landis is given a black hat.

Forums
uk.rec.cycling talks about the BBC More or Less program, says things don't look as cut and dried as you might think. The show was also covered by BikeBiz yesterday. (TBV is sitting on two emails with summaries of the program, to be posted when I have time).

DPF talks chews the "straight to CAS correspondence" story.

DPF also muses about possible European Commission review of CAS decision based on antitrust, starting about post #15. Someone finds and corrects our links to the relevant decisions.

At the not-really moderated Topix forums, one poster says the single-CAS hearing was Landis' idea, to save himself the expense of losing twice, so all the delays are his fault. It's like hanging out at a bar half full of equally drunk Michigan and Ohio State fans, only without the fistfights or the rational discourse.

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Monday, November 06, 2006

Rejected Doc Request (Correspondence Part 2)

This is Part 2 of our series on Correspondence between Landis and the USADA.

In Part 1, we got presented the USADA's conclusion that they wouldn't be giving Landis anything more than the LDP already provided, because they, the USADA, didn't need to. This leaves aside the fact that the rules apparently being cited were for the Laboratory, not the USADA.

The USADA letter made reference to an October 16 request that had been made by the Landis side, which we'll show and discuss in detail below.

This document request provides important clues into the defense. The Landis side could not know at the time it was prepared if it (or any subsequent) request would be entertained, either by the USADA or the arbitrators. If they ask here, they might get it; if they don't, they may never get another chance. Therefore, they would want to include requests for the things they consider critical to supporting the case they are likely to be making. There are probably things that are less important as well, but each request needs to be considered in light of the question,
"how does this relate to one of the cards Landis is holding face down?"

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On October 16, Jacobs sent a 10 page letter to the USADA identifying documents Landis believed were within USADA's command to produce, along with a number of questions they believed should be answered. The pages in that letter are snapshotted as images in the remainder of this post.

Clicking on each page image will take you to enlarged (but not full size) page images, or you can pull up the full letter in pdf.


Page 1 says this is a request to USADA and to the UCI for production of documents. It explains that in specific requests, the reasons behind each will be annotated using a code described on the following page.

Comment: It does not identify a rule under which it has been requested; then again, the refusal didn't cite the rules under which it was rejected either!





Page 2 Identifies reasons 1-6 for requests, which will be used to annotate the specific demands.
  1. LNDD competency
  2. Ambiguity of test methods and positivity criteria
  3. Improper testing procedures
  4. Incorrect interpretation
  5. Supporting data to determine accuracy
  6. Other tests results corroborating inaccuracy reported in the sample in question.
It then begins the requests with Section I, Documents for IRMS analysis.

Comment: the SOP used could be construed as the one already in the LDP.



Page 3 continues the IRMS related requests. How often does LNDD do CIR? How often do other labs do CIR? Calibration data absent in LDP for LNDD; Details about IRMS equipment at LNDD; When did LNDD start doing CIR? What did WADA do to validate LNDD's CIR testing? What criteria does LNDD use to declare a CIR positive? What criteria do other labs use to determine a CIR positive? Various flavors of documents that would make clear LNDD does things different than other labs.

Comment: some of these could not be provided by LNDD, and would not fall under the restrictions of the ILS definition of the LDP. The data that is LNDD specific might or might not belong in the LDP; whether it should be in the LNDD provided LDP is probably up to the arbitrators to decide.

The key item here is probably the positivity criteria used by LNDD vs. that used by other laboratories. Differences of interpretation between labs is a potential problem for the ADA side. CAS could eventually take a "loosest lab wins" position, and justify that under the rules, but it would be embarrasing for the ADAs. That didn't help Zach Lund.



Page 4 continues IRMS related requests, continuing on things that would show LNDD differing from other labs. Expected values for control samples. Documentation of linearity tests and background subtraction methods in use by LNDD. Certifications and approvals for calibration standards. Manufactureres recommended operating pressure;

Comment: data that seems relevant, most of which arguably should have been in the LDP.

That Landis is bringing up the pedigree of the control samples is very interesting, as it suggest he thinks there may be something wrong with them that would lead to the incorrect result.

Similarly, the mention of operating pressure suggests Landis thinks there was something that may have been wrong with that in a way that would affect the results.



Page 5 continues IRMS. Calibration certificates for standards; Statistics about screening samples > 4 TE ratio and results when later analyzed by IRMS. WADA or WAADS documents expressing reservations about IRMS CIR.

Then we get into things related to TE analysis. SOPs for LNDD; Support for 20% uncertainty quoted by LNDD for T concentration; for 30% uncertainty of E measurement; 30% uncertainty for T/E measurement.

Comment: Some should arguably be in the LDP, and what's in the LDP may be considered adequately documented. Other items would be USADA or WADA provided, and not under the ILS restrictions.

The interesting point may be whether the uncertainties quoted by LNDD are consistent with those in use and reported by other labs. If LNDD is claiming 30% and other labs claim 0.05%, that should raise concerns.



Page 6 wants the electronic files of the data of the test results; documentation of the correction factors applied; details of the spectroscopic peaks; raw data for the IRMS; non-corrected results before background subtraction; how corrections were determined; calibration; gas purification; more raw data; more spectral peak information.

Comment: all of this can be seen as relevant. Whether it should have been in the LDP is to be determined.

This repeats some concern in the CIR questions about background subtraction methodology, calibration, procedure about reference gases. The requests for the raw data are also interesting, because many people have had a hard time examining the multi-generation copies of the printouts, which themselves obscure data that may be important.



Page 7: accurate time labelling of peaks; explanation why printout is from day after a test; other printouts; chain-of-custody question; corrections not described in LDP; FID traces; Pointed operating pressure question; linearity tests; electronic data for linearity test; explanation and data necessary to duplicate correction calculations; background scans with enough resolution to be useful.

Comment: There's a lot of fishing here, and most of it doesn't seem likely to result in a catch to TBV.

Duckstrap from DPF emails: "FID is Flame Ionization Detector. Basically this ionizes every carbon containing thing in the GC trace, giving a complete chromatogram of everything in there. It should tell you whether there is any interference with the peaks of interest in the IRMS. This is relevant (actually very relevant), since you would like to know that all of the carbon showing up in the IRMS result truly comes from A, E, and Adiol and Ediol and the internal standards."

There is a loaded question about operating pressures, and the interest in the way corrections are done along with the background traces suggest concern about the arithmetic that was done to the raw data.



Page 8 finishes with the TE-related questions, and moves into sample handling.

For the TE, we see demands for details about the urine "blank" used against the sample; Data about water blanks; proof that there was no cross-contamination; electronic data of runs against standards; any prepared English translation of early testing documents.

Comment: Some key questions here, whether they have a properly "zeroed" setup, both in terms of the presumed-clean urine and the way they proved and documented the cleanliness of the apparatus before the sample runs.

Sample handling questions follow. Documentation of all results of all tests against Landis' samples over the whole Tour; Documentation of all tests results for Landis from 2001 to present; Documents indicating whether there was sharing of data that would link Landis to samples being tested;

Comment: The first is about establishing a "longitudinal" study, to determine if there were things in the S17 result that are out of line. Out-of-line could mean either "he doped on S17", or that something skewed happened with the handling/processing of the samples for S17. The second is about trying to show historical data to back up any longitudinal. The last seems like a fishing expedition for mud to throw at some point about process violations.

The first seems like a perfectly reasonable request, as it is data that is available from a single source, appears relevant, and shouldn't be onerous to produce. The last few don't seem particularly relevant to the immediate case, and could be very difficult to research and produce.


Page 9 begins specific questions Landis would like answered based on examination of the LDP.

1. Missing flow rate data.
2. How was calibration gas used
3. Gas purification systems.
4. Time for peaks on MSD TIC scan.
5. Why results are printed a day late?
6. Other corrections that weren't documented?
7. Why was CIR data reported with and without background correction?
8. How can we duplicate the background correction?
9. Did they do a "craig" correction?
10. Were all samples run at 5.3e-6 mb? What was manufacturer's recommendation?
11. Is "Mix cal IRMS 003" the "VG mix"?
12. What was the trap current?
13 What is the lump between 200-800 seconds in one trace?

Comment: I'm not sure why some of these aren't document demands, and some seem redundant with the previous demands. Most of these again seem to related to whether the equipment was properly "zeroed", calibrated, clean from contamination, and operated properly. All of these things could affect the accuracy of results.



Page 10:

14. Why were no linearity tests provided?
15. Confirm that the sample anonymity.

Please provide documents and answers to questions by Nov 6.

Comment: Well, they answered by Nov 6.

The absence of linearity data may be important, though I recall seeing some charts in the LDP that appeared to reflect linearity -- though maybe they plotted two points and assumed linearity between them.



Comments

Some of this is probably fishing, and would reasonably be rejected.

Quite a bit of this is data that the USADA would need to provide, reflecting information that doesn't come exclusively from the LNDD. It is not clear what grounds USADA would have for either granting or rejecting the request, because the ILS would not apply, I don't believe.

Technical Technicalities

The most interesting parts are the technical details requested that we had not seen before. These include:
  • Positivity criteria used by LNDD and other labs.
  • Uncertainty reported by LNDD vs other labs.
  • Were the urine "blanks" as blank as presented? How would we know?
  • How do we know that the machines were not contaminated, based on use of water blanks and calibration gas?
  • Did they operate the machines correctly, in specific detail about various pressures and trap current?
  • Did they do their corrections correctly based on properly acquired background values?
A plausible theory might be that with blank urine that wasn't blank, and absence of purification with either water blank or purifying gas, the sample processing may have been contaminated by the "blank".

Similarly, operating the machines with incorrect pressures and trap currents may result in incorrect results.

There may be other aspects of the defense that did not require additional documentation, and so were not present in the request. An example might be the use of a cortisol metabolite as a reference compound.

An interesting dilemma for USADA is that, absent some of the data requested to prove otherwise, Landis may be able to make a strong case for the theories above, based on the inadequacies of the LDP as provided. Therefore, USADA may be shooting itself in the foot by not providing data that bolsters its own case - assuming the data would bolster the case. If it isn't presented, Landis is free to argue it would be in his favor.

The series continues in Part 3.

Back to Part 1.

All documents presented in this series can be found in the collection at archive.org.

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News
Bicycling.com has a new interview with Landis with up-to-date progress, even referring to yesterday's "No Documents for You!" with a link to TBV. He's riding again, getting used to having his leg being an inch longer, and anticipating the hearing at the end of January or beginning of February.

BikeBiz picks up "no documents for you" with an excellent piece from Carlton Reid on the "Leaky Lab", document worries, and more about the unreliability of testosterone testing. pjk .

Letters to Velonews, a writer compares Landis to NFL's Merriman case, and concludes cycling is doing "better" and we should be "proud" because it is taken more seriously and results in steeper penalties.

PezCycling News has an interview with American Chris Horner, saying,

You look at the situation with Floyd (Landis) and he’s being accused of it right now, and no one has any faith that the guy is innocent. Everyone just wants to go ahead and start putting him on the barbeque! Everyone just gets that perspective, and I don’t know what the sport will have to do to change it.
Motley Fool talks up Smith & Nephew, maker's of Landis' hip hardware. Author is rooting for Smith and Landis.

EMail
Bobby passes on information about specific people to write, as suggested yesterday. Bobby says,
all may also consider writing the bureaucrats in charge of usada funding which accounts for ~65% of their funding. it's the 'Office of Federal Drug Control Policy. google 'ondcp' and you can feedback directly via the homepage. it's in the executive office of the president. Main source of funding comes through a senate committee "Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation" chaired by none other than Sen John McCain of AZ! oftentimes the bureaucracy responds more quickly and with better results than politicians.
Rant offers a Sample Letter as a starting point.

Emailer Tony reports:
The BBC has just run a interesting scientific programme looking into testosterone testing and abnormal ratios. You can listen to it on the web for the next week by going to [this link] and clicking Listen next to Latest Programme on the top left

Some very interesting stuff in there, especially the low ratio of positive test findings for those outside the 6:1 and 4:1 ratios and some discussion of the Landis case
Anyone who listens, please send a summary.

Blogs
We'll pass on the announcement that Now That's Amateur! is going on extended hiatus, being a cheerful participant in a friendly cooption by the Canadian Olympic Committee. We have mixed feelings -- happy for him, but sad we'll be losing his voice in the Landis discussion. Later, Peter!

Rant does his thing about "no documents for you!"

PJ is bothered that USADA is speaking for UCI. TBV isn't sure why this is a surprise -- procedurally, UCI gets the report, refers it to USACycling, who sent it to USADA. It would have been more of a surprise to hear from the UCI second guessing USADA, in our opinion.

John in Australia notes Ride Magazine discussion of Landis, notes debate rages. But less important than news his girlfriend broke up with him. Again.

VitalAccurateThinking snarks about the meatball defense.

MidwestWheelevents discusses Stern criticism of WADA.
The Interlocuter is unhappy with the NBA store, so he thinks Stern should shut up already.

DocAdvocate uses Landis as an example of a hip resurfacing.

Forums

At DPF, Bill Hue writes,

The arbitrators have to make a very public choice in what for the first time is a public rather than closed door proceeding; whether they will aid the USADA/UCI in their prosecution by adhering to the prosecutor's narrow definition of what is "relevant" or whether they will be independant fact finders and give the athlete a chance to see all evidence, even that deemed "irrelevant" by the USADA's attorney, under the rules they authored to aid them in their prosecution.

Whether you like due process, hate it or ignore it, any rule adopted by an organization which precludes any inquiry into the truth that goes beyond the organization's charging documents is more akin to a star chamber than a fact finding hearing.

Maybe people like that, to achieve this particular end. I don't think anyone who has ever been in a star chamber would recommend it to others,
Another DPF thread runs down "no documents for you", but veers off into EC review of CAS decisions, and finds some of TBV's broken links.

LetsRun has a really good thread, capped by a post from "Donald Trump", who claims Landis would have been negative by the UCLA and Australian lab positivity criteria. (We haven't seen those criteria to substantiate the claim.)

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Sunday, November 05, 2006

No Documents for You! (Correspondence, Part 1)

This is Part 1 of a series reviewing correspondence between USADA and Landis.

As reported by Landis on DPF and covered here, USADA has denied all requests for more documents in a FAX dated November 3, and reproduced at the right. That means to get anything, Landis will need to make demands to the arbitrators.

This position by USADA raises concerns whether they are interested in finding the truth and serving justice, or only in winning! their Case.

As we know, the majority of USADA's funding comes from Federal Tax Dollars. Maybe people will be moved to express their opinions about USADA's attitude towards Landis to the congressional leaders providing that funding.

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The letter from Travis Tygart, the USADA counsel to Jacobs, reads as follows:
Dear Howard:

I am in receipt of your letter dated October 16, 2006, sent to USADA and UCI requesting documents and information concerning the above reference matter.

After extensive review by us of your voluminous requests, I am writing to inform you that we will not be providing any documents or other information in response to your requests. As you should know, the rules applicable to this proceeding establish the set of documents that are provided by the laboratories when a sample tests positive. After studying your requests and those rules, every request you make appears to seek documents or information not called for by the rules. If I am mistaken about this, please explain to me in writing so that I can reconsider your requests.

Also, the only parties to this proceeding are USADA and Mr. Landis, so please consider this the only response to your requests that you sent to both USADA and UCI.

There are two points to be made. (1) The rules referred to are the ISL, which describes what the lab is required to produce; it does not limit in any way what USADA may produce; (2) this means all of the document requests are going to go before the arbitrators for a decision about relevance prior to hearing.

What was in the request that was denied? We shall see in Part 2.

All documents presented in this series can be found in the collection at archive.org.

[The article title is a reference to a Seinfeld episode]

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Sunday Roundup

Forums
On the DP forum (Insider View thread), Landis writes:

Just to clear up the misinformation in this post (nothing personal OMJ), out of slightly less than one thousand instances last year of T/E ratios between four and six in tests performed by WADA, only three were confirmed by IRMS or longitudinal study. Also, on another note, we were notified by USADA a few days ago that the information which we have is all that we are entitled to have (that means you've seen all we will get). This means they are denying any more of the documents pertaining to the results of the test in questions and also the results of the other tests from the tour.
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I don't know, but the fax was clear that we should not bother asking for anything else because what was provided, according to them, proves my guilt. You decide.
Due to aggressive moderation, threads at DPF are unstable; posts get moved around, and links sometimes stop working as a result. Earlier, in what is now the same thread as Floyd above, Tom Fine had come up with a memorable metaphor for the way the anti-doping system works at present:
...One could say it is adversarial by design, not just by nature. I would go farther. It is not merely an adversarial system. The current anti-doping system is a predatory system. It is a shark in the water, looking for blood. The assumption is that regular shark attacks are good for cycling.

As far as I can see though, the shark's the only one left smiling.
A new poster, roadwarrior on DPF seems to be a knowledgable ex-Pro rider. His profile says, "Birthday: 25 September 1954, Interests: Cycling, racing and retail (former racer) ...auto racing, especially Indy cars...golf" Any ideas who might this be?

Snark O' the Day

After discussing the "LanceCam" at the NY Marathon (which LA finished in a shade under 3 hours), a Cincinnati columnist chips in,
In a related story, the "FloydCam" continues to stream up-to-the-minute footage of disgraced Tour de France winner and drug test failure Floyd Landis, as he weeps in his mother's basement while searching through bike messenger want ads in area newspapers.
Ottawa Sun says the only two possibilities are, "Either more people are cheating, or more are getting caught, thanks to better and more frequent testing."

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Saturday, November 04, 2006

Saturday Roundup

News
Toronto Sun talks about Stern going after Mr. Pound. This story is turning up everywhere, because it's a big-time sport (basketball), and because the NBA may be the model of a number of things that work -- labor relations, revenue sharing, and substance abuse policy. It's going to be hard for Mr. Pound to blow this off as uninformed criticism.

Reuters report about Valverde's reservations about DNA testing mentions Landis at the end.

VeloNews reports Clerc going after UCI:

Cycling is in danger," Clerc said following recent doping scandals involving Tour winner Floyd Landis and the Operación Puerto investigation in Spain. "What kind of twisted mind can expect to lead cycling out of its crisis by attacking the locomotive of the train?"

The UCI and Tour officials have been squaring off since the inception of the ProTour series in 2006. The ongoing feud shows no signs of cooling following the recent snub by Tour officials not to invite UCI president Pat McQuaid to the 2007 Tour unveiling last week in Paris. Clerc accused the UCI of trying to wrest control of the lucrative TV contracts from the race organizers with the imposition of the ProTour system.

"That's not their role. Their role is to be regulators, not economic. Everyone has their appropriate place," Clerc said, adding that the effort to impose the ProTour system has been a "failed coup d'etat. They wanted to force this system upon us and the organizers of the grand tours have squarely opposed them."

Followup
In yesterday's roundup, I was confused about Howard Jacob's web site and thecurrent nature of his practice. In email, we're told that he opened his own firm with staff on July 1st after having been with Hurrel and Cantrell for 19 months. Before that he had another office in Westlake Village.

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Friday, November 03, 2006

A "novel" idea!

Blogs From Science Fiction Twin Floyd as "the Hulk". pk

Rocky Mountain News has AP story of NBA's David Stern slamming WADA and Dick Pound's treament of Landis. Also at Sportsline, and slightly different version at Slam.ca
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Friday Roundup

News
Letters to CyclingNews contain a complaint about the ASO video. Another can't believe innocence because of the angry look. One is sad Landis has so much support.

Blogs
PodiumCafe Rider of the Year results -- Floyd wins popular vote by 1 (out of 177 cast), and PC declares 3 way tie with Valverde and Bettini, and prefers Valverde.

Dugard says Landis is walking without a limp and is starting some long training rides.

Mike and Dana go snarky about Landis at the end.

ChaosCycling likes Floyd and wants to set up a Burning Man of cycling with a beer garden.

Machine translation of German blog says Landis doped: "Completely large tennis."

Forums

Web
Howard Jacobs has a web page I hadn't see before. The background features...cycling. He still has a page at Forgey, Hurrell, Cantrall, but has dropped off their roster. His new one doesn't seem to mention the firm. Maybe he's gone solo? I don't know if there is any meaning, or I'm blind.
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Thursday, November 02, 2006

Thursday Roundup

News
Part 3 of the Amber Landis interview on the Daily Peleton. pk

Floyd loses big. In the Dilbert "Weasel" competition, he's a distant fourth, behind Barry Bonds, Terrell Owens, and Lance, who places well even in retirement. My votes for Schumacher got him out of the cellar, but not past Landis. Gatlin was a very distant last place. Thus, in the mind of the public, doing the deed and copping to it isn't as bad as being a possible victim of a false prosecution. As well as the technical burden of proof, that reflects the PR hill Landis needs to climb.

PezCycling Eurotrash Thursday has a small mention of FL back on the bike training for the TdF. pk

CyclingFans, a new and exciting film from "Floyd Landis", and a snip from the ASO video with the cracked glass.

CyclingNews reports Milram is shrinking, which could be read as leaving room.

Spain will jail suppliers, Landis mentioned just because.

Podcasts
From The Competitors Radio Show Michael Ashendon discusses FL and Tyler Hamilton. We mentioned this on Monday, but it's the official release, we think. pk

Blogs
Bitch Kittie, the "hippest chick in the cycling industry" (Bob Roll's business partner), gets a dog named...

French blog makes a joke where Floyd is the good guy (partially translated) :

Which is the difference between Floyd Landis and Michel Rocard? The first does not plunge in sourness after the failure...
The article title, "Rocard_le_loser" should be a clue.

Dugard en-route to NYC, where he's having dinner with Landis. Maybe SI will do a feature, OR maybe a book is in order. ....pk

JoshQPublic lumps Landis in with various Cleopatras.

Doucheblog talks about interviews at CompetitorRadio, and plugs TBV, so he gets a new link back here.

GTVeloce goes from Landis to Pantani in a self-described ramble about doping.

Broxter is annoyed it takes so long to find cyclists guilty.

Brett is irked at typos on the expensive Tour DVD sets that cost big bux.

Calendar
Arnie Baker's talk with Slide Show 2.0 will be at the Tucson Convention Center at 5:30 PM Friday November 17th, according to comment to yesterday's roundup. It also says Floyd got a close look at Arnie's butt for the whole of his first road race. Well, it didn't say that exactly, but it follows, um, logically.

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Wednesday Roundup

News
SI keeps snarking. When SI turns on someone, it is not nice -- for instance, this notorious hit-piece on Michael Andretti when he was getting jobbed by McLaren in 1993. (Teammate Ayrton Senna said Andretti had been treated "shabbily".)

CyclingNews wraps up the Saris/Madison fundraiser.

VeloNews letters offer the outline of a conspiracy theory for Patrick O'Grady to embellish.

Blogs
An amusing (if somewhat jaded) visual comment on FL from Cartoonsbychris. Not a bad caricature if you like those things....pk

Rant deplores black and white polarization, and bemoans the lack of critical thinking in all walks.

South African blog goes a little snarky on Oct 17. TBV corrects him.

Calendar
Arnie Baker is said to be preparing Slide Set 2.0 to be presented at the Tour de Tucson. There was an anonymous rumour about this a while back, and it's a stronger rumour now. The event is Saturday, Nov 17, but we don't know when/where the presentation will be.

Web
Looking for Tucson news with Baker and Landis, we find this amusing report of the event from 1997:

After the break was caught, a tandem with mountain biker Floyd Landis and Arnie Baker jumped away, with Bostick right on their wheel. That was it...the race was made. The tandem dropped Bostick and put almost 5 minutes on him by the finish. One minute back, there was a sprint for third with Dutchman Patrick Eyk (Shaklee) outsprinting Steve Hegg (Saturn) for third. Local rider Ryan McKean (CDS Software) got fifth, Robbie Ventura (Navigators) was sixth and Tour de France stage winner Jeff Pierce got seventh.
What I want to know is who the stoker was on that tandem. Chris Horner featured as well, before a flat.

Forums
At DPF, the "tests digested for dummies" thread has reached the conclusion of its initial impetus with rational head's (RH) final detailed post. The key posts are #1, #8, #22, #25, #33, #34, and #52.. The wiki has not yet kept pace.

He's explicitly refused to be drawn into making explicit conclusions based on what he thinks so far.

RH has also so far refused to be clearly drawn into discussing the implications of Landis's cortisone on measurements that were using cortisone metabolites as reference compounds. He's been insisting that there is no pathway for the cortisone to metabolize into testosterone, and that the lab would have been dumb to have not considered the interference. This still remains insufficiently explored. RH has said,

Again. If the lab saw cortisol or its metabolites (natural or synthetic) in Floyd's sample (the instrument measuring it is called GC-MS, gas chromatographer-mass spectrometer) and IF it was in ANY detectable amounts (regardless of whether it was above or below 30ng/mL threshold) they could easily tell it apart from testosterone or its metabolites in the same urine sample assay. The lab has many options to further investigate these cortisols/metabolites if they wish to or have some questions - from more accurate confirmation assay on another sample (it would quantify each cortisol metabolite then) or they could run IRMS on it - to confirm its exogenesis. In either case, they would target cortisol metabolites completly and totally separate from the testosterone metabolites. Unlike what was suggested earlier, I highly doubt that the lab would be dumb enough to take an exogenous cortisol metabolite and use it for investigation of T exogenesis because cortisol is literally "screaming at you" when you compare it to testosterone on GC-MS. Only a complicit or totally incompetent lab would do such a thing! I don't think our DP experts (besides my own sneak review) found anything like that on USADA sheets.
while in another thread, at post #40, we hear:
Umm, LNDD did detect cortisol in Floyd's urine; a concentration of (edit) 143ng/mL - look at USADA0057 which is the mass hormone screening of vial 2 178/07 995474 H. The chromatogram for the cortisol (either 632.6 m/z or 636.6 m/z I can't tell) is in USADA0058. At least in the duplicate.

Now for vial 11 USADA0054 they have reported a cortisol concentration of 0ng/mL and I think this is where you are coming from. If you look at the chromatogram though USADA0055 there is a great big peak with the retention time of cortisol ~22.85min. Now I could be reading these incorrectly but it seems to me that the peaks are there in both but for some reason, which someone might be able to explain only the vial 2 sample had the peak area calculated.

I should point out that the two chromatograms look quite different - more peaks in the second one and I'm not sure whether the two samples were prepared in the same manner.

Edit: The results sheet USADA0057 has a list of concentrations that would trigger further action so >200ng/mL for T or E for example. But does not have one for cortisol. Why? 143ng/mL would be enough to trigger a positive result without a TUE. Actually having just read this wada doc the 30ng/ml limit is not the threshold for a positive but is the reasonable limit for detection the lab must demonstrate (like the 2ng/mL for [T] or [E]). Maybe they are the same . . . there isn't a seperate threshold for the glucocorticosteroids - and I can't seem to find another value elsewhere.

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