tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post900303353264177782..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Late Friday RoundupDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-51094724827627479882007-05-18T17:20:00.000-07:002007-05-18T17:20:00.000-07:00Anon 2:46ON point 2. Would you want LNDD doing yo...Anon 2:46<BR/><BR/>ON point 2. Would you want LNDD doing your DNA test? I am sure that there are good and bad labs for that work. The reference to fingerprints is interesting. With the increasing use of DNA (where available) there has been increasing criticism of fingerprint evidence. It is bsed on an unproven assumption that no 2 are alike (just as for snow flakes) In addition, most fingerprint evidence depends on human interpretation of them an the number of points of similarlity. Lower number of points, lower probability, but I don't think that they have been able to quantify it. It's a lot like eye witness identifications. Jury's love 'em, but almost any cop or prosecutor will tell you that they are quite unreliable. Lots of the folks being freed from prison with DNA tests were convicted on eyewitness identifications and/or fingerprint expert testimony. sad but true.<BR/>pcrosbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-38607319029638267582007-05-18T14:46:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:46:00.000-07:00Anon,1. Floyd put his test results out there on th...Anon,<BR/><BR/>1. Floyd put his test results out there on the internet for anyone to see, and has insisted on an open hearing. This is not normal behavior for someone who has something to hide.<BR/><BR/>2. DNA tests may be held up in a court of law, but as we have already established here at TBV, this is an arbitration hearing, not a court of law. If it were an actual court of law, instructions (aka laws & SOP) would be followed. I can understand the riders' reluctance to even give DNA, when samples are not only mislabeled, but then destroyed, as are original files. Perhaps fingerprinting is the answer?<BR/><BR/>3. I have no problem with people not agreeing with Floyd, if they present rational statements supporting that opinion. I do have a problem with people who keep calling names like 'roid Floyd because they don't have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion. That is third grade behavior. It is up to TBV, but I wish he would delete posts that are only name-calling. They are a distraction to what is an otherwise meaningful discussion of evidence, pro OR con.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-24070870933905913602007-05-18T14:13:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:13:00.000-07:00DNA tests are a different thing from urine analysi...DNA tests are a different thing from urine analysis. DNA tests are routinely held up in a court of law. I don't agree with what he said, but don't start blaming DNA labs for inacurate results,,,they are very accurate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-7041521712752481132007-05-18T14:10:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:10:00.000-07:00"I'm always struck when riders say they won't give...<I>"I'm always struck when riders say they won't give DNA. If I was unfairly accused of a crime and knew I could exonerate myself with a DNA test, I'd jump at the chance. Those who are innocent have nothing to hide."</I><BR/><BR/>And you would blindly trust the lab to be able to produce an accurate reult?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-17478900498252381072007-05-18T14:07:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:07:00.000-07:00Hold the crow ... I'm saving it for Mr Anon.Hold the crow ... I'm saving it for Mr Anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-46559664808513135592007-05-18T14:05:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:05:00.000-07:00Looks like Richard Pound, David Walsh, Emma O'Reil...Looks like Richard Pound, David Walsh, Emma O'Reilly, Mike Anderson, Jesus Manzano, Christophe Bassons, Filippo Simeoni were all correct.<BR/><BR/>And Arnie Baker & Will Geoghegan were dead WRONG!<BR/><BR/>Roid Landis fans have plenty of crow to eat.<BR/><BR/>Bon apetito!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-20825273693829972042007-05-18T13:56:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:56:00.000-07:00Jeepers !, I'm glad to get past the 'Lemond incide...Jeepers !, I'm glad to get past the 'Lemond incident'. That scared the sh1t out of me. I've thought in the past that this is the case which 'keeps on giving' and I've yet to be disappointed.<BR/><BR/>Don't be too hard on Oscar. I don't believe he's really attacked Floyd and he happens to be a pretty good cyclist himself. In fact, if I recall correctly, in 2005 both he and Floyd were considered leaders of the Phonak team (there was no clear decision). They were both good enough.<BR/><BR/>Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-92169125957811861982007-05-18T13:55:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:55:00.000-07:00Sure...let's just end this now because Floyd is gu...Sure...let's just end this now because Floyd is guilty and so is everyone else. I understand if those races required you to do something before hand to prove that you aren't taking anything, but the rules were that he didn't have to give dna. You can't call him guilty because without proving it because that was the deal that was in place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-57447904928670350222007-05-18T13:46:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:46:00.000-07:00I'm always struck when riders say they won't give ...I'm always struck when riders say they won't give DNA. If I was unfairly accused of a crime and knew I could exonerate myself with a DNA test, I'd jump at the chance. Those who are innocent have nothing to hide. <BR/><BR/>Pro cyclists are well paid celebrities who regularly pee in a cup and are subjected to all kinds of other invasions of privacy. I don't think the pro peleton can rely on an "innocent until proven guilty" posture anymore, especially when Oscar presumably has the ability to prove his innocence relative to Puerto, if he wants to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-83019251169824017382007-05-18T13:40:00.001-07:002007-05-18T13:40:00.001-07:00any word on what time the afternoon session will s...any word on what time the afternoon session will start?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-24168006346813872752007-05-18T13:40:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:40:00.000-07:00come on Atown. Floyd wouldn't give DNA in the sam...come on Atown. Floyd wouldn't give DNA in the same situation. They were both friends until it came to the Tour. It is sad that the whole pro tour is falling apart. You absolutely have to give oscar the benefit of the doubt because that is what you are giving Floyd.<BR/><BR/>Brian<BR/>H-TownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-56321729864078935572007-05-18T13:35:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:35:00.000-07:00Yes, Mr. Pereiro, How does it feel to be accused t...Yes, Mr. Pereiro, How does it feel to be accused to be a doper?<BR/><BR/>You have been critical of Landis, and ready to assume the TDF throne, what is it you say that is any different than what Landis has said if he is a doper and you are not?<BR/><BR/>You had no problem with rumors and lies about Landis, why the sudden change of heart? Or is it only rumor and lies when its about you?<BR/><BR/>Why are you not willing to prove your innocence with DNA? Did you dope or do you just not trust the sports authorities(Judge, Jury and Executioner)? <BR/>If you don't trust the system again what is it that makes your proclaimed innocence any different than Landis?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Atown, Tx.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-10805833480530172252007-05-18T13:34:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:34:00.000-07:001:28 .... would your last name happen to be Pound?...1:28 .... would your last name happen to be Pound?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-16474311396355579632007-05-18T13:28:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:28:00.000-07:00As well as:Jan UlrichTyler HamitonHaven HamiltonEl...As well as:<BR/><BR/>Jan Ulrich<BR/>Tyler Hamiton<BR/>Haven Hamilton<BR/>Elisa basso<BR/>Ivan Basso<BR/>Eddy Mazelino<BR/>Luga Paolini<BR/>Lance Pharsmtromng<BR/>Barry Bonds<BR/>Jason Giambi<BR/>Marion Jones<BR/>Justin Gatlin<BR/><BR/>Don't forget Roid Landis' father-in-law (now deceased)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-53451434123579039812007-05-18T13:26:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:26:00.000-07:00And I almost don't feel sorry for him with some of...And I almost don't feel sorry for him with some of the things he has said. Wow, I've gotten bitter over how USADA, GL, and Will have behaved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-19574752742186958822007-05-18T13:12:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:12:00.000-07:00Looks like Oscar is about to find out what Floyd's...Looks like Oscar is about to find out what Floyd's been going through the last several months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-80747221842524439422007-05-18T13:04:00.000-07:002007-05-18T13:04:00.000-07:00Can you say?No cycling renewals for OLN?Revenue lo...Can you say?<BR/><BR/>No cycling renewals for OLN?<BR/>Revenue losses at Daily Peleton?<BR/>Cycling as a bad WWE pharma joke?<BR/>Reduced EPO sales?<BR/>Roid Landis milking cows?<BR/>Will Geoghegan as a super moron?<BR/>Arnie Baker as a powerpoint fool?<BR/>Lance Phamrstong as mud?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com