tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post8866717175198785997..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Judging Floyd, Part V -- the Form SheetDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-28565040104515692852007-05-07T13:56:00.000-07:002007-05-07T13:56:00.000-07:00TBV, yes that's what I'm talking about too - the p...TBV, yes that's what I'm talking about too - the positivity criteria not the measurement techniques.<BR/><BR/>I have often heard that Landis will not be allowd to argue the science behind the test. I don't know exactly what this means, but it gives me the impression that he may not be allowed to challenge the positivity criteria.<BR/><BR/>The fact that LNDD's positivity criteria is different from other labs is not meaningful in itself. Landis has to show why the difference matters. I don't see how he can do this unless he is allowed to discuss the scientific research (or lack of it) on which the positivity criteria is supposedly based.<BR/><BR/>~ CubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-90188220708099626932007-05-07T08:58:00.000-07:002007-05-07T08:58:00.000-07:00Cub, we're not talking about the CIR itself, but t...Cub, we're not talking about the CIR itself, but the criteria LNDD use to declare a positive, which are different than those used by other labs. We absolutely expect the LNDD criteria to be a significant point in the case.<BR/><BR/>TBVDBrowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-35129009239059234262007-05-06T17:37:00.000-07:002007-05-06T17:37:00.000-07:00"We at TBV expect to see - From Landis...Attemptin...<I>"We at TBV expect to see - From Landis...<BR/><BR/>Attempting to directly establish the LNDD positivist criteria are either scientifically wrong, or incorrectly applied in this case."</I><BR/><BR/>I thought this was just the kind of argument the inquisition does not allow. I suppose Landis should try anyway. It's only if he tries and is slapped down or ignored that he can show how unfair the system is in this regard.<BR/><BR/>It's going to be a little like the movie Inherit the Wind where Spencer Tracy was not allowed to introduce any arguments about evolution when defending the school teacher who was on trial.<BR/><BR/>I think Floyd may have a few highly respected scientists lined up ready to say that the science behind the IRMS test for exogenous testosterone is far too skimpy to be applied the way LNDD did. My opinion is that any scientist worth his NaCl would come to that conclusion.<BR/><BR/>~ CubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-27148360649775576942007-05-06T14:50:00.000-07:002007-05-06T14:50:00.000-07:00What possible reason can Pound have for addressing...What possible reason can Pound have for addressing the panel directly? It wouldn't surprise me at all to find Pound involved in some ex parte discussions with the arbitrators, however.<BR/><BR/>Since WADA answers to no one, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the panel engages in everything TBV says will compromise their credibility. I don't think they care.Jim Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00904567945546421314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-35551893014523244122007-05-06T11:34:00.000-07:002007-05-06T11:34:00.000-07:00The way you phrase things with regard to landis, i...The way you phrase things with regard to landis, it almost sounds like you don't want him focusing on procedural "technicalities" (even though I think you dislike that word).<BR/><BR/>But my understanding of the whole burden turn thing is that his first opportunity to argue anything is to argue precisely such issues as sample identity and custody. And if he doesn't argue them up front, he can't go back and argue them later.<BR/><BR/>Am I misunderstanding your intent here?<BR/><BR/>tomThomas A. Finehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734341507092908270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-4907331333639453332007-05-06T09:42:00.000-07:002007-05-06T09:42:00.000-07:00Hey guys -- regarding TV: we don't need live cover...Hey guys -- regarding TV: we don't need live coverage. Why don't one of you bring a DV camera and a bunch of tapes each day? At the end of the day, seed a torrent with raw (and edited if you have time) video, and the rest of us will help out on the torrents.hughwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766131116514643236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-8851177900395562852007-05-06T09:41:00.000-07:002007-05-06T09:41:00.000-07:00ORG here ...TBV or Bill, you have a link? miseed...ORG here ...<BR/><BR/>TBV or Bill, you have a link? miseed it as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-5641314655365837502007-05-06T08:32:00.000-07:002007-05-06T08:32:00.000-07:00Anon,Last month.BillAnon,<BR/>Last month.<BR/>BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-34365348862882923042007-05-06T04:29:00.000-07:002007-05-06T04:29:00.000-07:00More "Meltdown":Any use by the prosecution of the ...More "Meltdown":<BR/><BR/>Any use by the prosecution of the terms "Nazi frogmen" or "violating virgins."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09761649488198090733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-79901958274936509512007-05-05T23:29:00.000-07:002007-05-05T23:29:00.000-07:00When did Pound say he wanted to address the panel?...When did Pound say he wanted to address the panel?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com