tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post6323421452704009950..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Thursday Late RoundupDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-9607720339660195622007-07-28T13:36:00.000-07:002007-07-28T13:36:00.000-07:00Tholmies,When you gain anywhere near the same amou...Tholmies,<BR/><BR/>When you gain anywhere near the same amount of experience and knowledge that Floyd Landis and Allen Lim have acquired with regard to what power output a particular elite athlete can maintain over a particular mountain stage in the TdF, then I’ll take your posts on the subject much more seriously.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09427604865634964926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-83046660025661280962007-07-27T06:51:00.000-07:002007-07-27T06:51:00.000-07:00The stage 17 thing seems to be one of those TBV ar...The stage 17 thing seems to be one of those TBV arguments that White is Black.<BR/><BR/>Amusingly the normalized W/kg was apparently computed but not given.<BR/>Maybe because it does make appear that stage 17 was out of the ordinary after all. Here is the actual data:<BR/>* S10: 5.15<BR/>* S11: 5.12<BR/>* S14: 4.90<BR/>* S15: 5.44<BR/>* S16: 4.75<BR/>* S17: 5.69<BR/>The two best stages are S15 and S17, by are margin. So it is a little more than the peloton was slow in S17, and Landis performed as usual. The averages obvious the dramatic let down in S16, maybe because S15 took a toll, or other reason.<BR/>But then, the next day, Landis was born again, since he had its best performance of the data set. Not only that but if you look at the full table, S17 is the only stage where he consistently performed above 5.5 (S15 comes close though). <BR/>And he did it with a 125km solo breakaway (not in the comfort of the peloton or small group), catching back the racers of the previous initial break, who then dropped like flies as time went.<BR/><BR/>So yes, his performance in stage 17 was extraordinary. The media emphazied it rightly so, if you are not convinced, you are deep in denial, please google the press articles of the time.Tholmieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623968741858617501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-87380906019490930302007-07-26T20:16:00.000-07:002007-07-26T20:16:00.000-07:00But again - he could shove his exposed arm out all...But again - he could shove his exposed arm out all he wanted, and they'd never test it. They don't need to - they've GOT THEIR MAN!<BR/><BR/>Round up the usual suspects!whareaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15824055294445501713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-39828634768898613902007-07-26T20:08:00.000-07:002007-07-26T20:08:00.000-07:00Heck, Eight Zero, you are correct. Vino could have...Heck, Eight Zero, you are correct. Vino could have another test today, and it should show comparable results. The big question is, what independent lab could Vino find whose results would be acceptable/reliable to WADA and the rest of us?<BR/><BR/>Important watchwords are, after all, are, Trust but Verify. In this case, it should be straightforward to verify!Cheryl from Marylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410608438374264074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-34555791954279303982007-07-26T15:58:00.000-07:002007-07-26T15:58:00.000-07:00Cheryl, you're on to something important. If the S...Cheryl, you're on to something important. If the Saturday B, or either on Monday's tests return negative, what then? We expect all to be positive, and if so, we've exposed a doper, and done the right thing. <BR/><BR/>But what if we didn't? What if we don't find mobile labs and WMDs? <BR/><BR/>Vino has denied the charge. What if he had a evidentiary sample done on his own on Tuesday, and that is negative?Eightzerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326301095221867947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-3689494149282394242007-07-26T15:20:00.000-07:002007-07-26T15:20:00.000-07:00Are they going to test Vino's sample from the stag...Are they going to test Vino's sample from the stage win Monday? Because they should - autologous blood cells remain in the body for many days per the M.D.'s article in Velo News. My understanding is the results from Saturday indicated the transfusion was recent. An anonymous test of Monday's A sample (at least one hopes it is anonymous)should match the finding of Saturday's A sample.Cheryl from Marylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410608438374264074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-10977483155560298742007-07-26T15:00:00.000-07:002007-07-26T15:00:00.000-07:00what I was getting at was that is all they are goi...what I was getting at was that is all they are going to need and another rider, who hasn't failed a test is ruinedBolivarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546762494362914267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-10989376421960119042007-07-26T14:41:00.000-07:002007-07-26T14:41:00.000-07:00Contador WAS forced out of the 2006 Tour de France...Contador WAS forced out of the 2006 Tour de France because his was among the names linked to OP. But he was cleared by the Spanish courts, and I don't think he's under suspicion at this moment. See http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/10588.0.html.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976868079076669453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-7419152485844565012007-07-26T13:19:00.000-07:002007-07-26T13:19:00.000-07:00Riddle me this - wasn't Contador implicated in OP?...Riddle me this - wasn't Contador implicated in OP? Sooner or later that is going to come out again.Bolivarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546762494362914267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-50101461689399989802007-07-26T12:46:00.000-07:002007-07-26T12:46:00.000-07:00The first ESPN article by Bonnie De Simone is real...The first ESPN article by Bonnie De Simone is really good reading.Ken (EnvironmentalChemistry.com)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07434682840236999820noreply@blogger.com