tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post6143695789522181982..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Friday RoundupDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-79847015852064191022007-06-16T11:24:00.000-07:002007-06-16T11:24:00.000-07:00I wonder what, if any, studies the military has do...I wonder what, if any, studies the military has done on PEDs. Its is fairly well known that the US military has issued amphetamines to soldiers and airmen when they need to keep going despite lack of sleep and/or physical exhaustion. I would suspect the military would be interested in chemical ways to improve the performance of troops. Of course, such research (if it exists) is undoubtedly classified.wscharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580006249706915137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-61946040253877140162007-06-15T20:12:00.000-07:002007-06-15T20:12:00.000-07:00PCrosby--I suspect it would be possible to do PED ...PCrosby--I suspect it would be possible to do PED research, but expensive. From a purely regulatory perspective, I suspect it should be doable, since these are mostly FDA (or EMEA in Europe) approved drugs, and the dose-response relationship has presumably been characterized. The experiment I would want to do would be a cross-over study, where a randomized group receives either placebo or the PED during one study period, and the reverse treatment in the second period. Each subject is then compared to him/herself for possible improvement, and the time course for these changes could also be measured. This assumes that the effects of the previous period's treatment have washed out by the time the second treatment is administered. A trial protocol would need to be written, and submitted to an Institutional Review Board (IRB) for the group conducting the study. It is the IRB's job to make sure that the study is conducted ethically. Once all that is done, then you would need to recruit the study subjects--this is the downfall of many a clinical trial. If you don't get a sufficient number of subjects, you end up with a study that does not answer the question it was designed to. <BR/><BR/>This might be a tough study to do, since, if you were studying athletes, you would need to ask them (and clear with their sports federation) to ruin their season or a portion of their season or training for the benefit of science. Normal volunteers would probably not get much benefit out of it, and so you would likely need to pay for their participation (how much is a frequent ethical dilemma, since it should not be so much as to be coercive, but if you don't pay enough, you get no subjects). Also you would be asking study subjects to commit a fair amount of time to perform study procedures, etc., since presumably you would want to study their performance more than once per period. Altogether a challenging project, but as you say, a very interesting one, if someone were to take it on.Duckstraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03565769643958227788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-70665256396071252422007-06-15T18:04:00.000-07:002007-06-15T18:04:00.000-07:00If you don't still "love" the sport and support it...If you don't still "love" the sport and support it; then what about all the clean riders and the work that Floyd put into his hearing? I'm sorry; I know there's a problem, but I love the sport and continue to support it and follow racing; International and domestic!!<BR/><BR/>Theresacat2bikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793506247703536677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-62627143713330382272007-06-15T15:18:00.000-07:002007-06-15T15:18:00.000-07:00timothy,it's a shame. the Giro was terrific and th...timothy,<BR/><BR/>it's a shame. the Giro was terrific and the Dauphiné is wonderful. although i too am disgusted with all that's going on, it still isn't enough to dampen my love for cycling. i don't think Floyd would want that either.... ken, you too. if we, those who love cycling, give up on the sport altogether, how can it ever be changed?camhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13680368288178637165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-6324643334608035712007-06-15T13:53:00.000-07:002007-06-15T13:53:00.000-07:00Hope this is not a duplicate - Google had trouble ...Hope this is not a duplicate - Google had trouble with my password.<BR/><BR/>N.Y. Times article suggests that Basso did not have anyone significant to give them to get a real reduction, but that he only "intended" or had doping equipment available and did not actually dope. UCI said it would appeal if he got less than 2 yrs, so giving him credit for "time served" saved face.<BR/><BR/>This may only be of interest to me: Any researchers willing to comment on the hurdles to doing double blind research on PED's? Ignore the possiblity of creating a doping manual. I'm interested in the bioethics, government restrictions on doing PED research on healthy folks/ athletes/retired athletes.<BR/><BR/>Would be interesting to learn if the side effects of a PED outweight the benefit or what sport(s) might gain no benefit from something.<BR/>Pete CrosbyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13112722833949197867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-80611041237965635962007-06-15T11:58:00.000-07:002007-06-15T11:58:00.000-07:00I, also, just find that I've lost all interest in ...I, also, just find that I've lost all interest in professional cycling. There are Giro and Dauphine videos clumped on my Tivo, unwatched. I haven't read CyclingNews in months.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps if Floyd is vindicated, I'd feel some hope about the sport.Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249999249069919155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-9497068184653293772007-06-15T11:17:00.000-07:002007-06-15T11:17:00.000-07:00The more of these doping revelations there are in ...The more of these doping revelations there are in the news the less excited I am about watching the TDF this year. It had become a summertime tradition for me, but even when the stage is done there is no certainty that the winner will remain the winner. The whole system stinks.<BR/><BR/>I'm sick of doping riders and I'm sick of a system without any standards of due process. Maybe I'll start watching cycling again if they clean up the sport and clean up UCI/WADA. I do not know what is worse, cheating riders or an unaccountable system.Ken (EnvironmentalChemistry.com)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07434682840236999820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-60940514207641467722007-06-15T11:09:00.000-07:002007-06-15T11:09:00.000-07:00not sure if that link made it or not, so i'll post...not sure if that link made it or not, so i'll post another from TSN: <BR/>http://tsn.ca/tsn/news_story/?ID=210904&hubname=pensumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08253154717997773018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-66959251488868649692007-06-15T11:07:00.000-07:002007-06-15T11:07:00.000-07:00Basso has just been suspended for two years. more ...Basso has just been suspended for two years. more at: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-CYC-Doping-Basso.htmlpensumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08253154717997773018noreply@blogger.com