tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post3819875814940595263..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Thursday RoundupDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-58230091403283610842007-08-17T20:11:00.000-07:002007-08-17T20:11:00.000-07:00Funny that you mention Thorpie. I thought this bl...Funny that you mention Thorpie. I thought this blog was about dope cheating in cycling, although I think it is a very clever tactic to deflect attention away from cycling to swimming.<BR/><BR/>I doubt very much Thorpie is guilty of dope cheating, and given he has not been caught red handed, I think he will be cleared.<BR/><BR/>However, Australian cycling is pretty rotten with this sort of thing, so you might want to mention all the terrible tricks our Aussie cyclist do to try to win, when they are not bashing their wives and stalking their ex-girlfriends.Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15899284023364084846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-17586777503708188902007-08-17T11:11:00.000-07:002007-08-17T11:11:00.000-07:00It just gets me that they "presume" that the lab h...It just gets me that they "presume" that the lab handles it correctly and "presume" that they use the correct procedures. To me, that's the biggest problem with the current rules. Athletes are "presumed" guilty. It's just wrong.Julie Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328075519503617098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-21700534884309178432007-08-16T20:53:00.000-07:002007-08-16T20:53:00.000-07:00From the Neben ruling a chilling section:Page 9 of...From the Neben ruling a chilling section:<BR/><BR/><I>Page 9 of 24<BR/><BR/>6.5 The extensive documentation provided to Respondent [Neben] demonstrates presumptively that the chain of custody of the sample was followed, that the laboratory analysis was correctly conducted, that Respondent’s urine specimen had not deteriorated or been contaminated, and that the proper laboratory procedures had been followed. Moreover the results of the Montreal Lab, an IOC accredited lab, are presumed to be scientifically correct and the test and analyses were presumed to have been conducted in accordance with the highest scientific standards (USADA Protocol, Ex.1, p.9)<BR/>…<BR/>6.9 Accordingly, USADA has met its burden of proving a doping offense was established from properly conducted testing and analyses of Respondent’s urine sample by the accredited Montreal Lab.</I><BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>I hope the arbitrators give us more than a copy and paste of the above paragraph replacing Montreal with LNDD....GMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13827404930085676519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-9539635194418613352007-08-16T20:08:00.000-07:002007-08-16T20:08:00.000-07:00Dan (1:24) --If the ruling was a 2:1 against FL, "...Dan (1:24) --<BR/><BR/>If the ruling was a 2:1 against FL, "the majority" would have voted to close the hearing and Chris Campbell would have had only ten days to compose his dissent.<BR/><BR/>I would like to think that the facts have been reviewed and unfortunately, it's now the politics that is keeping the verdict.<BR/><BR/>OK, so how many of us would like the ruling before the end of August?<BR/><BR/>Let me count the hands. Raise them high!GMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13827404930085676519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-74788157041319631252007-08-16T17:24:00.000-07:002007-08-16T17:24:00.000-07:00http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/...http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article2272701.ece<BR/><BR/>Anyone want to hazard a guess on the nature of the "evidence" provided by the Thorpedo? The PED issue appears the same as in Floyd's case - the T/E ratio and exogenous T. Anyone look into Ian's case closely to see other parallels?<BR/><BR/>The jurisdictional issue with the CAS/FINA and the ASADA is interesting too.Eightzerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326301095221867947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-20713201704860544872007-08-16T15:59:00.000-07:002007-08-16T15:59:00.000-07:00FreeKindred said... The Women's Tour de France is ...<I>FreeKindred said... <BR/><BR/>The Women's Tour de France is not over and Amber Neben (USA) is currently #1 GC. I wish more people were covering this. With such a strong team and such a strong performance so far these girls deserve some props and ecouragement.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, it's the <I>Route</I> de France, not the WTdF which is known as the Grande Boucle Féminin.<BR/><BR/>Still a good one which I've been following. So far only the TT stages have been decisive at all, a gruppo compatto finish or close to it every non-TT stage. Tomorrow looks like some mountains, and Neben has some serious climbers in 2nd and 3rd behind her - Bubnenkova and Jaunâtre.<BR/><BR/>Here's the place to follow it (en français):<BR/><BR/>http://www.org-rc.fr/<BR/><BR/><I>Dan said... <BR/><BR/>I am afraid that the long awaited decision was made some months ago. What we are waiting for is Campbell's scathing (and I do mean scathing) dissent.</I><BR/><BR/>Since we were just talking about Neben ...<BR/><BR/>I was just reading today what Campbell had to say in her 2003 doping hearing:<BR/><BR/>http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/arbitration_ruling_10_21_2003_neben.pdf<BR/><BR/>Clearly, he was torn. He felt compelled to follow the letter of the law, or rather, the rules, but felt they were absurd in her case - No intent to cheat and a quantity insufficient to improve performance. (It was determined Neben had gotten a metabolite of an anabolic steroid as an unlabelled ingredient of a vitamin supplement.)<BR/><BR/>"The fight against doping is not the fight against victims of a poorly regulated vitamin supplement industry."<BR/><BR/>(as Instapundit says ...)<BR/><BR/>Indeed.<BR/><BR/>Read the whole thing.<BR/><BR/>If Campbell finds actual wrongdoing/incompetence/negligence on LNDD's part wrt Landis, "scathing" may be just the beginning ...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09761649488198090733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-54498385956466226642007-08-16T15:12:00.000-07:002007-08-16T15:12:00.000-07:00raamman,The whole point of arbitrations is to sett...raamman,<BR/><BR/>The whole point of arbitrations is to settle disputes. If they don't reach a conclusion, they haven't really done their job. So, to go with your question: If they don't render a decision, do they still get paid for their time?<BR/><BR/>- Rantdaniel m (a/k/a Rant)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16126545986721397012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-25212675783365677982007-08-16T14:16:00.000-07:002007-08-16T14:16:00.000-07:00do they actually have to render a verdict ?do they actually have to render a verdict ?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01226677424650756219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-65770607551453429332007-08-16T13:50:00.000-07:002007-08-16T13:50:00.000-07:00Even I, he who has been saying that we should be p...Even I, he who has been saying that we should be patient because that implies a 'fairer' result, am getting annoyed by the lack of a verdict in the case. I have not done any research into how long these arbitrations generally run (does anyone know this?) so I can't say it's particularly long or short, but it does seem odd that Landis could possibly end up serving more time in pergatory than a sentence would be - how would that be reconciled, I wonder?<BR/><BR/>It's confusing, and I wonder if this decision that will be handed down will have something unusal in it - this is the only way I can figure out this length of time. By unusual, I mean that there could possibly come some recommendations about testing procedures or accountability. It's POSSIBLE, but maybe I'm being naive...bostonlondontokyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865129856014819083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-47853271626022729882007-08-16T13:32:00.000-07:002007-08-16T13:32:00.000-07:00It seems like they are imposing the sentence throu...It seems like they are imposing the sentence through the wait so even if they rule in Floyd's favor he sits out for over a year.Julie Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328075519503617098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-27946000017706350762007-08-16T13:24:00.000-07:002007-08-16T13:24:00.000-07:00I am afraid that the long awaited decision was mad...I am afraid that the long awaited decision was made some months ago. What we are waiting for is Campbell's scathing (and I do mean scathing) dissent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05916571884373151434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-16290536823339768552007-08-16T13:20:00.000-07:002007-08-16T13:20:00.000-07:00The Women's Tour de France is not over and Amber N...The Women's Tour de France is not over and Amber Neben (USA) is currently #1 GC. I wish more people were covering this. With such a strong team and such a strong performance so far these girls deserve some props and ecouragement.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15495089987080759183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-55325687125140142342007-08-16T08:35:00.000-07:002007-08-16T08:35:00.000-07:00Hey doorknob, TBV mentioned this on Tuesday:tbv@tr...Hey doorknob, TBV mentioned this on Tuesday:<BR/><BR/>tbv@trustbut.com said... <BR/>I'm sure they're on billable hours, and golf games aren't billable.<BR/><BR/>:>)nahualhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03897814178784873052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-79226995675037669452007-08-16T07:49:00.000-07:002007-08-16T07:49:00.000-07:00Better watch out, Golf Punk! There already has bee...Better watch out, Golf Punk! There already has been an Italian golfer who tested positive and, if I recall correctly, at recently retired pro golfer has made comments about golfers using PES. The pot should watch what it calls the kettle!wscharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580006249706915137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-75763561867530625932007-08-16T07:28:00.000-07:002007-08-16T07:28:00.000-07:00So we still have no outcome from the hearing? Does...So we still have no outcome from the hearing? Does anyone know what is taking so long? Is the panel sequestered at the Hilton or something?Meg & Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15519955301173973173noreply@blogger.com