tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post312462368973805687..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Hearing - Tue: Davis Direct IIIDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-87302423846944470072007-05-22T20:41:00.000-07:002007-05-22T20:41:00.000-07:00Wow -- just wow. I really feel the head of the LN...Wow -- just wow. I really feel the head of the LNDD and his senior staff should take the major hits for setting up LNDD as the equivalent of a fast food restaurant (with fewer standards), especially with people's reputations and careers on the line.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, TBV for the commentary as I missed the afternoon hearing. And as I have to go to meetings and training tomorrow (in a new software program, but not for chromatograms), I'll miss everything and have to rely on you guys.Cheryl from Marylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410608438374264074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-36703768973194940552007-05-22T19:18:00.000-07:002007-05-22T19:18:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-45521850807355747352007-05-22T19:17:00.000-07:002007-05-22T19:17:00.000-07:00So let me get this straight. Davis helps load the ...So let me get this straight. Davis helps load the software and then has to stand behind a piece of Scotch tape on the floor!<BR/><BR/>Rereading Ms Mongongu's testimony about being flustered ("accosted") on the B sample takes on a whole new understanding in light of Davis' testimony.<BR/><BR/>Now we know why she "needed to be able to concentrate." coz the results weren't doing what they needed to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-6134037461275876782007-05-22T19:04:00.001-07:002007-05-22T19:04:00.001-07:00Anon 6:16,There was nothing magic about Davis's so...Anon 6:16,<BR/><BR/>There was nothing magic about Davis's software, it was the same software that LNDD used to reproses the data. He was going to show how easily you could cause a major change in the results by manual manipulation.<BR/><BR/>-wdsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-66106658877820531942007-05-22T19:04:00.000-07:002007-05-22T19:04:00.000-07:00Michael at 5:34 pm:You are correct. Look at the h...Michael at 5:34 pm:<BR/><BR/>You are correct. Look at the headline regarding today's testimony on cyclingnews, "USADA takes lead on penultimate stage". The article focuses mainly on the Landis cross. They comment on the testimony of Davis to some extent, but start it out by saying he "stole" photos on his camera phone. To me it looks like the last 2 days have been great for Landis. I can't wait to read about tomorrow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-61098260909398439982007-05-22T18:16:00.000-07:002007-05-22T18:16:00.000-07:00ok, i actually had to work today so i was checked ...ok, i actually had to work today so i was checked out of the proceedings. i understand that two women from the lab messed up the tests (ray charles could see that). but what's the story with Davis and his magic software? what it is expected to show? thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-55484944310569044612007-05-22T17:48:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:48:00.000-07:00After looking at Dr. Davis's charts about the numb...After looking at Dr. Davis's charts about the number of times that they reprosessed, I think Suh's statement of 20 times in his opening (that USADA tried to refute several times) was actually conservative on his part.<BR/><BR/>-wdsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-21164841074689333252007-05-22T17:45:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:45:00.000-07:00http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-PS-2-Model-53-486-SLC2-DOS...http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-PS-2-Model-53-486-SLC2-DOS-Computer_W0QQitemZ230133207188QQihZ013QQcategoryZ74946QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-29639242108510185412007-05-22T17:44:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:44:00.000-07:00http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-OS-2-Standard-Edition-Vers...http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-OS-2-Standard-Edition-Version-2-1-Retail_W0QQitemZ280117084650QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4619QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-29268514372085734132007-05-22T17:34:00.001-07:002007-05-22T17:34:00.001-07:00"So, they adjourn. Does that mean that they cut of...<I>"So, they adjourn. Does that mean that they cut off what USADA/WADA clearly feared? Earlier comment said computer demonstration either done tonight or barred. The rush to the station is unseemly. The panel should at least pretend that they want to be informed and go into the evening unless Pepperdine has a problem with it.<BR/>pcrosby"</I><BR/><BR/>TBV's running commentary suggested that Landis was suppposed to give USADA the software after 5:00 so they would have all night to play with it (apparently they didn't have it already?!). I don't think the demo had to be done by then. I think that may have been the reason for stopping precisely at 5:00 - so USADA would get all the overnight analysis time they were promised.<BR/><BR/>Now, where do they find a 1986 vintage 486 PC with OS/2 at 5:00 in Malibu?\<BR/><BR/>~ CubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-52678471758806385412007-05-22T17:34:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:34:00.000-07:00Guys, let's not get too carried away. Until the m...Guys, let's not get too carried away. Until the media, ie Cyclingnews, Velonews, USA Today, French media start writing about what's really going on, most of the general public doesn't know about the case. Although, Cyclingnews posted a favorable piece about Landis.<BR/><BR/>If anyone with any honesty reads all of the testimony, there's no way they could find Landis guilty of doping. But what scares me is that i have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that Hamilton (sorry to bring him up) went through the same thing with USADA and was sure he'd win his case. The two arbiters who decided that TH was guilty, never (to my experience) had to defend there reasoning. Only Campbell documented why he was on TH side. <BR/><BR/>So...it ain't over until the fat lady sings AND I'M HOPING SHE SINGS FLOYD'S SONG, but I'm not that hopeful yet...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05043995499810157859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-52934024911538085492007-05-22T17:29:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:29:00.000-07:00Hiltzik says, "maybe for a novel." Also, he has ...Hiltzik says, "maybe for a novel." Also, he has some contractual things for other books, so maybe not anytime soon.<BR/><BR/>TBVDBrowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-47390974772179692352007-05-22T17:23:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:23:00.000-07:00I would be surprised if USADA and WADA didn't face...I would be surprised if USADA and WADA didn't face numerous lawsuits/litigation over this clear negligence and malfeasance from any athlete(whether truely guilty or innocent) who might have just accepted the penality rather than try to fight. Much of this has never seen the light of day before. Devestating for USADA. No wonder Catlin and Scott jumped ship. If USADA/WADA had any honor they would publically appologize to Mr. Landis, reimburse him for every expense and for his lost revenue and reinstate him immeadiatly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-56176249187107960092007-05-22T17:19:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:19:00.000-07:00Mr. Hiltzik,Do you have enough for a book yet?Mr. Hiltzik,<BR/><BR/>Do you have enough for a book yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-61624309901429164952007-05-22T17:18:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:18:00.000-07:00Let the healing begin? More like Let the ROOSTER C...Let the healing begin? <BR/><BR/>More like Let the ROOSTER CROW!!<BR/><BR/>What's more roostered now? Floyd, or the lab?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-86662468101046671502007-05-22T17:15:00.001-07:002007-05-22T17:15:00.001-07:00Keeping in mind there's 2 sides to every story BUT...Keeping in mind there's 2 sides to every story BUT...<BR/><BR/>I feel badly for the 2 women at the lab who obviously weren't trained properly, however, this sounds like borderline fiducial misconduct on the part of the lab.<BR/><BR/>It certainly should also call into question all of the results run by either lab tech on that machine since it was setup improperly.<BR/><BR/>I am not a lawyer, just a geek.bobblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772507610157162749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-51580883541857171392007-05-22T17:15:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:15:00.000-07:00Sometimes letting someone search for the truth and...Sometimes letting someone search for the truth and letting someone find the truth are two very different things.<BR/><BR/>Go ahead USADA let the truth out, let her free.<BR/><BR/>It won't hurt that bad. <BR/><BR/>Let the healing begin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-58210954416033672892007-05-22T17:14:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:14:00.000-07:00So, they adjourn. Does that mean that they cut of...So, they adjourn. Does that mean that they cut off what USADA/WADA clearly feared? Earlier comment said computer demonstration either done tonight or barred. The rush to the station is unseemly. The panel should at least pretend that they want to be informed and go into the evening unless Pepperdine has a problem with it.<BR/>pcrosbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-5952324950358522392007-05-22T17:12:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:12:00.000-07:00"using their experience" alludes to a history of i..."using their experience" alludes to a history of incompetence, not just a one-time failure to follow the proper procedures.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, we will <B>never</B> know how many false-positives have been determined by this lab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-42477184275977738342007-05-22T17:11:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:11:00.000-07:00Serious questions:After all of this, is there stil...Serious questions:<BR/><BR/>After all of this, is there still a legitimate way for Brunet to justify voting to convict Landis? What justification would he use?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-64281260050706213772007-05-22T17:05:00.000-07:002007-05-22T17:05:00.000-07:00Unless USADA has some rabbits out there that know ...Unless USADA has some rabbits out there that know something we don't know (and Davis doesn't know), LNDD and USADA is dead in the water. <BR/><BR/>You said it, Anon 4:55. This is shattering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-12965224446669405652007-05-22T16:55:00.000-07:002007-05-22T16:55:00.000-07:00a: they clearly did not understand the instrument....a: <B>they clearly did not understand the instrument. I had to help them load the software on the machine. They were obviously trying to help each other during the reprocessing and did not generally know how the software worked.</B><BR/><BR/>Wow...just wowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-69045383919985220622007-05-22T16:49:00.001-07:002007-05-22T16:49:00.001-07:00swim, I agree USADA/Wada will want to avoid it...swim,<BR/> I agree USADA/Wada will want to avoid it, but if they have the data and the software to play with overnight, I am not sure how they can effectively complain. This train has not made stops to give any substantial accomodation to the parties yet and tomorrow they have to bring it into the station. I suppose they could let the direct continue tomorrow and then adjourn for an indefinite period to some presently unknown location so that USADA/WADA can try to pull its act together for cross and rebuttal. Given that USADA/WADA built this to be a trial by surprise and trap, they should have an uphill battle to get the advantage. Not impossible, but would further underscore the lack of fairness in this entire process.<BR/>pcrosbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-86719304508519459992007-05-22T16:49:00.000-07:002007-05-22T16:49:00.000-07:00ruling was that the software show had to be tonigh...ruling was that the software show had to be tonight or it wouldn't be allowed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-75720696890469452832007-05-22T16:48:00.002-07:002007-05-22T16:48:00.002-07:00anon4:41: You can only hope that Young has an exce...anon4:41: You can only hope that Young has an excellent day tomorrow, unlike yesterday; otherwise it looks pretty bleak for USADA and LNDD. But I highly doubt that USADA can touch Davis either way.Pommihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224938704426106934noreply@blogger.com