tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post215652555380782299..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Hue - Landis TestifiesDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-728122325963135832007-05-19T22:48:00.000-07:002007-05-19T22:48:00.000-07:00Hey rocket,That is why in a "real" trial, you have...Hey rocket,<BR/>That is why in a "real" trial, you have to see the testimony for yourself and that is why we have testimony in front of us and not on the telephone, usually, to test and assess credibility. <BR/><BR/>But this hearing is not about whether he doped. He is assumed to have done so by the adverse analytical findings on both his "A" and "B" samples. He must prove the lab violated International Standards. If so, USADA must prove the violations did not "cause" the adverse analytical finding.<BR/><BR/>to the person who asked about whether "witness tampering" was a possibility in an arbitrational panel circumstance. the short answer is likely "yes" for the reasons set forth in the article i cited at the beginning of the day. Scroll back to find it.<BR/>BillLaura Challoner, DVMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00606828463436614790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-74097854388253761872007-05-19T22:35:00.000-07:002007-05-19T22:35:00.000-07:00I apologize for a long post. Today was my first v...I apologize for a long post. Today was my first visit to the Proceedings. I sat in the overflow room with 6 others. Arriving after work, I only got to see Floyd and Jacobs on the huge-screen monitor.<BR/><BR/>Dilemma: Floyd, either you are one of the great pathological liars of our time (on par with OJ, IMHO), …or you are so transparent, straight-talking, and humble that every word you say is your understanding of the truth. I choose to believe the latter. Here’s why.<BR/><BR/>Floyd was ever so modest about his early victories, and the intense & loooong training it took. Jacobs asked about the MTB racing & then road racing, each season, and some big races in particular. Each time he had to follow up, “And how did you do?” “I won.” Maybe half a dozen times. No self glorification.<BR/><BR/>Everything was a simple story, including the Jack Daniels, and the statement he read to reporters while in Spain very shortly after the disclosure (it was hastily written by lawyers; Floyd had never read it until read it to reporters). Floyd wears his “heart on his sleeve.” In spite of Lemond acting like a spoiled brat (repeatedly; remember, he came to town to screw Floyd), FL seemed genuinely to want to treat him with a higher level of respect that was warranted. Did you know that Greg L. is writing a book, (according to FL)? Do you think that the “admission” will show up in it? (“I did NOT say I doped, because I didn’t dope.”) FL said that GL did not regard the abuse he suffered to be a secret, but FL refused to even utter the words child abuse. I think it was too traumatic to FL (!!) to say the words.<BR/><BR/>He wouldn’t even say some of the “Dick” Pound comments; Jacobs had to say them and ask what FL thought. FL was embarrassed. Humility, which seemed to come from deep inside instead of saying the right thing to please Mom & Dad (her presence on the screen was one of total serenity).<BR/><BR/>This is one simple guy. You could tell every emotion. You can imagine anger and unwise actions & words, even as he calmly described an event. I don’t think he doped. GL was right about one thing: holding in a doping secret would have killed Floyd by now. But, then to screw family and friends is unimaginable if you watch his emotions. <BR/><BR/>I’ve read everything I can on TBV & DPF. I don’t think I’m pollyann-ish (I’m a cynical old fart), but Floyd is a simple & honest guy. I found no BS, and I was looking for the slightest trace of that. He’s no liar. He’s no doper. I wish you had seen it.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the length.<BR/><BR/>Rocket_head<BR/>I’m also sorry I did not thank you both, Judge Bill and Mr. TBV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-25227044875107464892007-05-19T21:45:00.000-07:002007-05-19T21:45:00.000-07:00If there is no "law" that can force exculpatory ev...If there is no "law" that can force exculpatory evidence in arbitration, such as this, then there can be no "legal" basis for the manager to face charges of tampering/obstruction...right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-69961876274803784982007-05-19T21:35:00.000-07:002007-05-19T21:35:00.000-07:00Interesting summary on the Fox sports site. It's ...Interesting summary on the Fox sports site. It's unbelieveable Landis actually said something like "I didn't dope, because it wouldn't serve any purpose." How about winning the tdf and all the money that comes with it; isn't that enough of a purpose? The gist of the article seems to be Landis denied doping, is hurt he's been accused of it, and his mom believes he didn't dope. Also, something to the effect from his mom that Landis would never dope because he's a good Christian, and Landis also testified about his religous upbringing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-26795163391939411662007-05-19T21:16:00.000-07:002007-05-19T21:16:00.000-07:00Mr. Hue:Thank-you for sharing your observations on...Mr. Hue:<BR/><BR/>Thank-you for sharing your observations on this arbitration case. Your comments were a pleasure to read. I went back and viewed some of the hearing archives after reading the nuances you observed and was able to appreciate what I saw more. It was like watching movies with the director’s commentaries on.<BR/><BR/>Safe journeys home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-10156038522830886322007-05-19T17:37:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:37:00.000-07:00Bill, I can't thank you enough for your contributi...<I>Bill, I can't thank you enough for your contributions this week. Be well, and safe travels home!</I><BR/><BR/>Ditto that!<BR/><BR/><I>I was there . I saw Floyd crack on the Mollard . He then sat on and then really blew on the third k on La Toussiure . That was my hottest day outdoors ever . The next day he out foxed em . Period . If he was doped he would of dropped Sinkawitz way earlier. They came back and got within 5 min of him . He simply turned his way up the Joux in a controlled manner and then put a min on everyone on the descent! Just a great effort !<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if you can ever tell if anyone's doping - or not - from a result, really. Joe Papp doped and remained a marginal pro at best, right?<BR/><BR/>I saw every stage of the Tour de Toona where Gen Jeanson tested positive (EPO). She won GC, but no individual stage. Hardly a dominating performance.<BR/><BR/>She settled with USADA rather than go to arbitration and it seemed USADA had something to hide. Despite being her second offense (technically, a missed test; there had been a medical DQ for high hematocrit in another race considered suspicious but not technically a positive), she only got two years which was almost up by the time she settled, and she didn't have to acknowledge that she doped on the settlement. She had presented a study done by a Belgian professor which purported to show (based on tests she did) that her body produced a false positive:<BR/><BR/>http://veloptimum.net/courses/athletes/Jeanson/E/6/DelangheReport.html<BR/><BR/>Conclusion: she really didn't have the money to fight all the way but USADA and WADA would look bad if she had ,well, done what Floyd's doing and put some lab techs on the stand and see how much they really know about what they're doing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09761649488198090733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-36939202966928576332007-05-19T17:31:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:31:00.000-07:00LeMond vs. Floyd, who is telling the truth?Well, i...LeMond vs. Floyd, who is telling the truth?<BR/>Well, it shouldn't be too hard for a reporter to find out if Greg is writing a book about his childhood trauma. If that's true, then it is a pretty essential part of the phone conversation omitted by Greg and lends support to Floyd's version.12Stringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17692805353189852068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-21501457879909422912007-05-19T17:25:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:25:00.000-07:00TUE = theraputic use exceptionTUE = theraputic use exception12Stringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17692805353189852068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-51970088366844285902007-05-19T17:24:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:24:00.000-07:00TUE = Theraputic Use Exemption. It's permission t...TUE = Theraputic Use Exemption. It's permission to use a banned substance for medical reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-59734519099829592372007-05-19T17:22:00.001-07:002007-05-19T17:22:00.001-07:00We should be watching McLaren and Brunet as closel...We should be watching McLaren and Brunet as closely, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-34158038334665852722007-05-19T17:22:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:22:00.000-07:00"Didn't using any PED's with Phonak but had a TUE ..."Didn't using any PED's with Phonak but had a TUE for his hip."<BR/><BR/>What's a TUE ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-86336929944688316492007-05-19T17:21:00.001-07:002007-05-19T17:21:00.001-07:00Bill,Is there going to be post arbitration briefin...Bill,<BR/>Is there going to be post arbitration briefing? Thanks for your coverage.<BR/>Jeff from Newark, DEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-66539571942011430172007-05-19T17:21:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:21:00.000-07:00Bill,thank you for all your great work! your colou...Bill,<BR/><BR/>thank you for all your great work! your colour has added a wonderful touch of "you are there" for those of us that were stuck only reading. even when i was able to get in, i still went back to the posts. just wonderful stuff. a joy to read. and very enlightening on the legal shenanigans (i will think of you every time i see a pretty monkey).<BR/><BR/>you and TBV make a great tag team!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-25963322878849982642007-05-19T17:15:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:15:00.000-07:00Bill, I can't thank you enough for your contributi...Bill, I can't thank you enough for your contributions this week. Be well, and safe travels home!<BR/><BR/>-RW, OBCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-21559792334803423352007-05-19T17:08:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:08:00.000-07:00I was there . I saw Floyd crack on the Mollard . H...I was there . I saw Floyd crack on the Mollard . He then sat on and then really blew on the third k on La Toussiure . That was my hottest day outdoors ever . The next day he out foxed em . Period . If he was doped he would of dropped Sinkawitz way earlier. They came back and got within 5 min of him . He simply turned his way up the Joux in a controlled manner and then put a min on everyone on the descent! Just a great effort !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-9067736383756415592007-05-19T16:51:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:51:00.000-07:00Nothing like a few Jack Daniels to help you recove...Nothing like a few Jack Daniels to help you recover from a major bonk in a three week stage race. I'm sure that most top pro's do this, but im guessing that the majority prefer Southern Comfort for major rehydration purposes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-33392371389153233732007-05-19T16:50:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:50:00.000-07:00There is no obligation in arbitration to give excu...There is no obligation in arbitration to give exculpatory evidence.Laura Challoner, DVMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00606828463436614790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-30304160176295551582007-05-19T16:49:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:49:00.000-07:00Mr. Hue,With respect to Catlin's testimony is it a...Mr. Hue,<BR/><BR/>With respect to Catlin's testimony is it actually legal to withhold evidence that might exonerate an athlete that is being suspended? I understand an athlete signs something in order to compete but as a citizen of this country do the laws offer any protection?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-76484022241295123772007-05-19T16:39:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:39:00.000-07:00Keep pulling . This is just absurd .Floyd really n...Keep pulling . This is just absurd .Floyd really needs to get his case public in real time . He is hanging on by the scruff of his neck after the Lemond event .This is a major problem for them now and they cant fix it.With just a few arguements in his favor , he regains the public opinion and wins back his FFF supporters . This is irreversable!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-26052533558442233592007-05-19T16:32:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:32:00.000-07:00they are real time now. the play by play here is ...they are real time now. the play by play here is 100% accurate and faster than the video stream for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-30078302729947909622007-05-19T16:29:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:29:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-22225094293023767492007-05-19T16:26:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:26:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Laura Challoner, DVMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00606828463436614790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-59377237304636268922007-05-19T16:25:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:25:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-49434869752189968602007-05-19T16:23:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:23:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com