tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post1912850833948812149..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Hearing - Friday Papp Direct and Cross I.DBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-11194294391111398282007-05-19T05:29:00.000-07:002007-05-19T05:29:00.000-07:00yes I understand quite well, all you want is super...yes I understand quite well, all you want is superheros. A world full of superheros, just for you and your bier in the sofa. <BR/>Go back to reality man, the world you dream of is the one sold by your baseball & superball teams. Just a fantasy, nothing real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-87510977879569068122007-05-18T18:11:00.000-07:002007-05-18T18:11:00.000-07:00Ali and bannaoj, thank you for your insightful com...Ali and bannaoj, thank you for your insightful comments. They were good food for thought.<BR/><BR/>Cheers.<BR/><BR/>BTW: it is so nice to see things getting back to "real" investigation rather than monkey dance drama. <BR/><BR/>LeMond used to be a big hero of mine, but over the past few years his behavior in the press has really tarnished my image of him. I hate to see him constantly getting entangled in this type of controversy. I've always felt that he started getting bitter when he was forced to retire for health reasons and this bitterness has just festered over the years.Ken (EnvironmentalChemistry.com)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07434682840236999820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-81747178369737728162007-05-18T17:51:00.000-07:002007-05-18T17:51:00.000-07:00Ali your comment is absolutely on point. When I t...Ali your comment is absolutely on point. When I took analytical chemistry I could ace the exams but my lab work dragged me down.<BR/><BR/>They are using Papp to try to lay a basis for using the late round of B tests. That Landis used some medium to absorb light doeses of T to recover which would be missed in the A sample test and would not necessarliy be used every day. Their argument will be that after the bonk on Stage 16 he used it and that let him recover to ride Stage 17 as he did. Very artful becasue it does not require him to super perform on that day, just to be back to normal. <BR/><BR/>Interesting thing is that this is another use of the "non-analytical positive" approach to support questionable lab results. Real question for me is if they are going to bring in an expert to support Papp's statements. Recent brain imaging studies have shown that the "placebo effect" actually is reflected in brain activity in a way that deos have physical effects. Strong suggestion that it is not just a psychological phenomenon. Not saying that Papp had magic lotion rubbed on his chest and, believing he would recover faster, he did. But science is saying something similar.<BR/><BR/> I want an endocrinologist (sp?) to tell me about this, not a second tier rider.<BR/>pcrosbyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-35681269929736390952007-05-18T17:22:00.000-07:002007-05-18T17:22:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... Papp won lots of races - not on ...<I>Anonymous said... <BR/>Papp won lots of races - not on the level of Landis, but nothing to sneeze at either.</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly my thoughts.<BR/><BR/>So this guy takes banned substances to improve his performance. Yet -- he lacks the natural ability to perform on the world stage and then goes further and shows that even _WITH_ the dope he still can't win.<BR/><BR/>In my eyes his statements have no bearing on this case. He's never participated in the major races; he's never won anything big. <BR/><BR/>He can't be compared to Floyd Landis in any way because he is not of the same caliber as Floyd Landis.Sackyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402117790115431257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-44332112895192355452007-05-18T15:53:00.000-07:002007-05-18T15:53:00.000-07:00Papp won lots of races - not on the level of Landi...Papp won lots of races - not on the level of Landis, but nothing to sneeze at either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-68904376066701709912007-05-18T15:35:00.000-07:002007-05-18T15:35:00.000-07:00I feel sorry for Mr. Papp. After taking all those ...I feel sorry for Mr. Papp. After taking all those drugs, he still didn't win! So, we have now established that the drugs don't turn you into superman. Why do all of the USADA witnesses bring their own attorneys?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-43353121397416466282007-05-18T15:18:00.000-07:002007-05-18T15:18:00.000-07:00Interesting how Joseph Papp can describe in great ...Interesting how Joseph Papp can describe in great detail the benefits of testosterone on his cycling performance, but is now confused on how EPO could (and did) improve his performance.<BR/><BR/>The coaching on his testimony is ringing loud and clearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-40176944668315109252007-05-18T15:01:00.000-07:002007-05-18T15:01:00.000-07:00Ali-I qualify as a lay person...but I agree with y...Ali-<BR/>I qualify as a lay person...but I agree with your assessment of the situation...try making biscuits with baking soda instead of baking powder and you get something completely different than what you expected out of the oven...<BR/><BR/>TBV-<BR/>What do you mean no closing statements...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03697875811276529694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-86108893587599178052007-05-18T14:40:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:40:00.000-07:00I was thinking that if Landis has a "shotgun defe...I was thinking that if Landis has a "shotgun defense" with points scattered all over the place, USADA has a "shotgun offense" with random points scattered all over the place.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, that it doesn't make sense if there is really a strong case against Landis to begin with. Why should you need to have your points scattered everywhere. You'd stick to the science and it would speak for itself if it the test a valid one.<BR/><BR/>AJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-62744024703369632492007-05-18T14:32:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:32:00.000-07:00Just as an aside, because I now realise it needs t...Just as an aside, because I now realise it needs to be said.<BR/><BR/>Any analytical procedure requires ABSOLUTE attention to detail. That's particularly true when dealing with chemical substances. Even the most simple of procedures can go wrong for apparently insignificant reasons. If you've never worked in that environment, you wont understand what I'm talking about. That's not meant to be condescending, it's just a fact.<BR/><BR/>What's happening here is that the authorities are trying to give the impression that these tests are bomb proof and you just press the button and the results are always 100% accurate and their interpretation of those results is always 100% accurate. If that is what you think, then you have been mislead. If you don't believe me then contact your nearest university and ask them. Science is just not like that ... If it was, there'd be doping testing stations on every corner of your town. These people are in self defence mode. Recognise that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-44751122500081414852007-05-18T14:25:00.000-07:002007-05-18T14:25:00.000-07:00He took EPO what does that have to do with testost...He took EPO what does that have to do with testosterone or with floyd?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com