tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post1863450040523218779..comments2023-10-06T03:21:26.130-07:00Comments on trust but verify: Friday RoundupDBrowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17718913310467614671noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-27412938378121448052007-06-09T00:31:00.000-07:002007-06-09T00:31:00.000-07:00Also, wasn't Dr Catlin's testimony of the "no ques...Also, wasn't Dr Catlin's testimony of the "no question doping going on" thing looking solely at the LNDD version...the one that *after* Catlin's testimony, Landis' witnesses testified couldn't possibly be valid (given the lack of knowledge how to run the machines, the stopping and starting, etc???)<BR/><BR/>I don't think Dr Catlin's testimony took into account the errors that caused the files or profiles (or whatever it is called)to look that way in the first place.<BR/><BR/>Is this not the crux of the case? <BR/><BR/>Am I wrong??TiGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13730346463087154402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-78850234513674151722007-06-08T18:44:00.000-07:002007-06-08T18:44:00.000-07:00I remember Don Catlin saying, that they are all do...I remember Don Catlin saying, that they are all doping if the test comes back positive; no matter what. I got the feeling that he did not feel that in his gut; just quoting the party line he's had to toe all these years. Maybe I'm wrong, I was going on body language; and maybe I saw what I wanted to see...<BR/><BR/>If the UCI gets involved with skateboarding..........NO, it can't happen! The UCI lives in the early part of the 20th century; when there weren't any skateboards!!<BR/><BR/>Theresacat2bikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00793506247703536677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-40700157331655338612007-06-08T16:44:00.000-07:002007-06-08T16:44:00.000-07:00I'm there with you Pete Crosby --1) what sane pers...I'm there with you Pete Crosby --<BR/><BR/>1) what sane person would want to be involved with the UCI if there was an alternative?<BR/><BR/>2) Snowboarding a better match.<BR/><BR/>Cheryl WasherCheryl from Marylandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410608438374264074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-37067717710778438912007-06-08T13:34:00.000-07:002007-06-08T13:34:00.000-07:00Had to jump on this: The New York Times just post...Had to jump on this: The New York Times just posted a short article on its website reporting that the IOC is trying to add skateboarding to the London Olympics. <BR/><BR/>Not surprisingly, there is no international federation of skateboarders for the IOC to deal with. So they have been meeting with the International Cycling Union to have the ICU take over skateboarding and make the proposal for including skateboarding at the London games. <BR/><BR/>Skatboards have wheels, so I guess there was some thought process involved. I wonder if the powers that be at ICU have ever met a skater or attended a competition. This could be one of the more classic mismatches in history.<BR/>Pete CrosbyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13112722833949197867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-10780627375742782652007-06-08T12:13:00.001-07:002007-06-08T12:13:00.001-07:00Dan said: "Still, there's plenty of reason to spec...Dan said: "Still, there's plenty of reason to speculate on his guilt."<BR/><BR/>Yah. I certainly believe he hasn't received fair treatment and that anti-doping agencies need major overhaul. I want to believe he didn't dope, but I have a hard time dismissing Dr Don Catlin's statement:<BR/><BR/>"No question, doping was going on, it's inescapable that's what was going on."snakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02583800264572446213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-76791844666169113822007-06-08T12:13:00.000-07:002007-06-08T12:13:00.000-07:00As the foregoing comments suggest, I am relatively...As the foregoing comments suggest, I am relatively certain that we are not going to get a clear answer to whether or not Landis doped, even if the panel backs WADA it will be argued that the system was stacked (Who knows what Bostre is doing now with the panel) and if Landis "wins" it will be argued that he just convinced the panel that LNDD was not competent. No "Guilty/Not Guilty" verdicts here.<BR/><BR/>Side question for the technicians and scientists that I hope is not too far afield. The National Center for Drug Free Sport runs the NCAA collection and testing system. It indicates that it will report a T/E of 6:1 and over 20 substances at the 2 ng/mL and over for its Anabolic Steroid Panel. I think I understand the comparison to WADA on the T/E, but I would really appreciate confirmation from knowledgeable sources and comment on the other standard. Thanks in advance.<BR/>Pete CrosbyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13112722833949197867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-18483428384923568602007-06-08T11:02:00.000-07:002007-06-08T11:02:00.000-07:00First, let me say that I lean very strongly toward...First, let me say that I lean very strongly toward Floyd's innocence. However, if you use the standard detective's credo - means, motive, opportunity - Landis had them all:<BR/><BR/>- The means: a substance - testosterone - that may provide a single-day performance boost, and whose presence is difficult to detect (and easy to argue against, even if detected.) Moreover, using testosterone is a one-time thing: if he gets through the day and the post-race testing clean, he probably won't need to use it a second time. <BR/><BR/>- Motive: very strong.<BR/><BR/>*He's facing a hip replacement that might result in having to never race again (a possibility, even if the public pronouncements are optimistic.)<BR/><BR/>*More than likely, because of the standings up to his heroic stage, he's lost the Tour de France.<BR/><BR/>*Given that his career might end, winning the TdF becomes key - the difference between vast riches and fames and working as a product manager at Trek.<BR/><BR/>Opportunity: a stage that is well-suited to him - if he crushes the competition in an unprecedented way. <BR/><BR/>Like I said, I lean toward Landis being innocent anyway, and I am absolutely certain that he should be exonerated because due process was not followed, and his rights were trampled. Still, there's plenty of reason to speculate on his guilt.Dan Koeppelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04555538446900097218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-31817764554028219842007-06-08T10:29:00.000-07:002007-06-08T10:29:00.000-07:00There's not a chance this side of The Hot Place AS...There's not a chance this side of The Hot Place ASO can back off their assertion that Floyd is not their champion. Imagine a best case result from the arbs: a 3-0 that USADA didn't make thier case. ASO won't accept that, and will say that he doped and that (I can hear it now) "he got off on a technicality." Truh of the matter is ASO determines who is the champion, not the athletes.Eightzerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326301095221867947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-74359254149611333842007-06-08T09:07:00.000-07:002007-06-08T09:07:00.000-07:00Mike/syi,Prudhomme does, indeed, work for ASO. He ...Mike/syi,<BR/><BR/>Prudhomme does, indeed, work for ASO. He was making statements about Landis not being considered the Tour victor eons ago. And he did say, shortly before the hearings took place, that any mention of Landis would be expunged from the TdF's official history, regardless of the outcome. <BR/><BR/>I don't know if he's softening his position or not. But he sounds like he's leaving a door open so that he can say, if Landis is exonerated, that now the Tour considers Landis to be the true victor.<BR/><BR/>- Rantdaniel m (a/k/a Rant)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16126545986721397012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-26053730238909439942007-06-08T08:30:00.000-07:002007-06-08T08:30:00.000-07:00Doesn't Christian Prudhomme work for ASO? Or is no...Doesn't Christian Prudhomme work for ASO? Or is not that simple?<BR/><BR/>syiMike Solberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784753552166129987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-64342709647091828992007-06-08T08:26:00.000-07:002007-06-08T08:26:00.000-07:00I wondered about that too, but I believe that it w...I wondered about that too, but I believe that it was tour director Christian Prudhomme who made the statement that the TdF no longer considers FL its champion (I believe he said this right before the beginning of the hearings?). There is some confusion to be sure as to WHO gets to determine the winner after the results of the arbs are announced, especially IF FL is exonerated. That would really mess things up.<BR/><BR/>strstrbukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00814462555882571936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31819641.post-64783125463442080882007-06-08T06:34:00.000-07:002007-06-08T06:34:00.000-07:00TbV, it seems there was another interesting bit in...TbV, it seems there was another interesting bit in the NYT article: that the ASO "statement said that if an arbitration panel sanctioned the 2006 winner, Floyd Landis, for the use of performance-enhancing drugs, he would also be stripped of his title." Does that mean they have backed off on their decision to deny his existence no matter what? Now they are actually going to wait for the results of the arbitration?Mike Solberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11784753552166129987noreply@blogger.com